Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00100)

From: W. Dallas TenBroeck <dalval@nwc.net>
> MONADIC EVOLUTION   Part  4
>
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Thanks Dallas for another part of the story. It is something to save and
study.

I have a few thoughts, on scattered points here and there that might be of
interest.
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> Theosophy is a report on the HISTORY of research conducted by the
> Wise men, the Sages and Adepts of this Earth for many, many
> thousands of years.  [SD I 272-3]
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DK] That brings up some interesting points.
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> 3.  That between adjacent incarnations, after the grosser selfish
> and personal elements are first purged away, (Kama-Loka, OCEAN p.
> 99 et seq.,  KEY, p. 98-9, 143-4, 173, 189-2) comes a period of
> comparative rest and refreshment, called Devachan (OCEAN, p. 109
> et seq,  KEY, p. 98 -0 108)  -- the soul being therein prepared
> for its next advent into material life.
>
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DK]
And is that period defined in terms of your Earth Years, months, hours?

I can't say where, but my information is that the personality after death
lasts as a personality for a period of about 40 of our Earth Years. They are
wandering around, generally in the Astral Plane, and sometimes in the Mental
or Spiritual plane, depending on their evolution before they died. They then
have time to, along with the permanent higher self, evaluate their most
recent life, and whether they met their goals, and what should come next.

And they have time to interact with the still incarnate other selves. They
can activate mediums, for instance for a few years until they waste away
into unconsciousness. So that the Spiritualists and HPB's thoughts on
Spiritualism can both be true. The Spiritualists for the first immediate
years after death, and HPB's thoughts for the long term.

HPB claimed that when she was living at her Master's house, they had her out
of her body for 11 weeks, (as I recall the time period), and she was
wandering around wondering why no one would take notice of her, or talk with
her. I don't recall any mention of what THEY were doing with her body while
she was not residing in it.

But she, the spirit - or personality, or whatever you call it was absent
from it.

Other systems, when they describe that condition, claim that if the resident
is expelled permanently, either the body will die, or another personality
can enter and reside in the body, and take it as their own - to all outward
appearances.

In the Old Diary Leaves, Olcott describes an Old Gentleman who comes to
visit when they are writing ISIS -I think-. He was a very highly developed
soul, and was concentrating on spiritual matters, and hadn't realized that
he had died, and was a friendly fellow. He helped them with the writing, and
was going on just as he had before he had died. -And, of course, Olcott
couldn't have been aware of him unless he had animated the HPB body, just as
the Masters did when they got to know WQJ, as he describes getting to know
them in New York.

It seems to me, that this statement by either HPB or Olcott about this
spirit who visited, and helped them with their work, sort of  tells us that
the statements that HPB and the Masters made reguarding Spiritualism needs
to be qualified in some manner, for a Time Period. I haven't seen much about
the specific time period that we can expect the newly discarnate individual
to retain enough consciousness to continue on as a spirit.

The other Spiritualist mediums that HPB knew had definite individuals as
their controlls, and these seem to have lasted as definite personalities for
the lives of their mediums. And this pattern seems to have lasted in modern
times, such as the control "Seth", who wrote books and made tapes and videos
over a period of time till the medium died.

The Tibetan word is Tulku, and the Sanskrit word that HPB used most often
was Avesa, or Avesta.

Evidently, the same natural ability of the body is used in both instances,
the Mediumship, and the Avesa or Tulku process in which the body is taken
permanently. In the case of the Russian Princess, Anastasia, and perhaps
Dorothy Eddy (Om Seti), the body was evidently abandoned by the original
owner, and would have died if the spirit of another had not taken up
residence there.

In her later years, HPB commented that when things got tough, she might just
let the bayonet wound to heart, that she suffered while fighting for
Garabaldi, when her Master siezed the opportunity and re-animated her for
the work that his pupil Koot Humi wished to start, that of founding the TS,
open up again, and she could leave for good.

And Damodar came to the conclusion while he was living at ADYAR in the
headquarters, that HPB was a dead body reanimated by the Master Morya, and
the other Masters. He later became a Master, and died just a year before
Olcott, in about 1906, I believe.

Dennis



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