Theos-Talk Archives (September 1999 Message tt00060)

Thank you Art for your response to my questions.

I see that you are a disbeliever (with exclamation points) in HPB's Masters.
But that SAME disbelieving attitude has been used by many other skeptics
to relegate to the realm of "fancy and wishful thinking" ALL that
is said about the paranormal and spiritual realms by
Swedenborg, Sri Aurobindo, Krishnamurti, Ramakrishna,
Ramana Maharshi, etc.  See for example the book titled
THE TRANSCENDENTAL TEMPTATION:  A Critique
of Religion and the Paranormal by Paul Kurtz (Prometheus Books,
1986).

If one can be skeptical of HPB's claims and statements about
Masters and the psychic and spiritual realms of existence, one
can with equal justification be skeptical of the claims and
statements of those whom you regard as "genuine masters."

Didn't Aurobindo claim that he "saw" Master Koot Hoomi?
Was this but "fancy and wishful thinking" on the part of Aurobindo?
And if one can question this statement by Aurobindo, how much else
of what he writes about is nothing but a product of "fancy and
wishful thinking"?

I have nothing against skepticism if it is a healthy constructive
skepticism asking relevant questions and looking for answers.
But I also believe that
such skepticism needs to be applied equally to all applicable
subjects.  In other words, if you question the claims of HPB, fine.
But why not apply that same skepticism to the claims of other "genuine
masters" that you apparently hold in such high regard?

You write:

> This put simply is the heart of the matter... there is no objective proof
> of such beings... we are in the category here of those who witnessed the
> golden plates of the Book of Mormon

What do you mean by objective proof?  Objective?  Can you give us
an example or two so we can understand what you mean by this statement?

But where is the "objective" proof of the many claims and statements
concerning the inner
worlds that all your "genuine" masters speak about?

There is evidence concerning the existence of HPB's Masters.  You may not
accept it; you may say it doesn't constitute "objective proof" but there is
evidence.
Here is a small sampling of that evidence for those who might be interested
in it.
Go on the WWW to:

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/paranormal.htm#Appendix

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/padshah.htm

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/chatterji.htm

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/ramiah1.htm

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/ramiah2.htm

http://sites.netscape.net/dhcblainfo/mahatmaa.htm


Is this evidence any less reliable than the evidence given by your "genuine
masters" on
the reality of the "inner worlds"?  And if it is less reliable, how so?

Daniel
blafoun@azstarnet.com






----- Original Message -----
From: The Clan <lgregory@discover.net>
To: <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 3:27 AM
Subject: Theos-World Existence of the master adepts


> I would have to say that the masters who are attributed with the
foundation
> of the TS are in the category of belief and are not verifiable personages
> ... they are rather flights of fancy and wishful thinking. HPB wrote:
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> >Let rather the planetary chains and other super- and sub-cosmic mysteries
> >remain a dreamland for those who can neither see, nor yet believe that
> >others can. ..." -- Secret Doctrine Vol I page 167. By Helena Blavatsky,
> >1888.
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> This put simply is the heart of the matter... there is no objective proof
> of such beings... we are in the category here of those who witnessed the
> golden plates of the Book of Mormon.
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> This is the category of fantasy and dreamland... Do I disbelieve... yes I
> do! Most emphatically so! When we dwell on these shadow beings ...these
> willowthewisps, we devote time and energy that could be used to study and
> appreciate genuine masters such as Swedenborg, Sri Aurobindo,
Krishnamurti,
> Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, and many others, who are verifiable beings
> with historical reality who have given the people of the world so much
> spiritual guidance that the product of these socalled masters in the early
> years of TS are better left forgotten! - Art Gregory
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