Theos-World More Responses to Peter
Apr 05, 1999 08:57 AM
by Gerald Schueler
>>I asked this because you seemed unfamiliar with the Fundamental
Propositions in the SD and the notion of "The reincarnting Ego", and
also showed yourself quite suprised at the idea of humanity developing
"individual consciousness" (MANAS). >>
I would like to think that I am intimately familar with these terms.
Her "Fundamental Propositions" for example, formed the basic
foundation of my Enochian Physics book.
<<> How does one acquire "individual Consciousness" when
> HPB clearly stated that spirit or atma is NOT individualistic?
Such 'individual consciousness' is mentioned over and over again in the
Key to Theosophy and its acquirement is gone into in great depth in the
Secret Doctrine.>>
Peter, you seem to have missed the fact that such an
individualistic consciousness is pure maya, the Heresy of
Separateness. Individuality exists only within our 7-plane
solar system, and mostly only on the lower four planes.
>>I don't think Theosophy does state it is THE goal of evolution". >>
Yes, it does. The Theosophical goal of evolution is the
development of self-consciousness according to most of
the early Theosophical pioneers including G de P whom
I hope deep within himself knew better. Self-consciousness
inherently implies individualism or a personal individual self.
This is, indeed, the goal of evolution, but all evolution is
really maya, an illusion. Why? Because there there is no
such a self.
>>Rather it is a stage of evolution that the Monadic streams, the
Life-wave, all have to pass through. Here is what HPB says:>>
I am already familiar with what HPB says. Thanks for the nice
quote, but how does it help you? Her quote is all about
evolution during this, or any other, manvantara. Its all
maya, but is perfectly correct as maya. We do evolve,
and gods are produced, and so on, but only within this
7-plane solar system. When we leave this system, we
"wake" to the truth that it was all a good bunch of fun,
and having the reality of a dream.
>>HPB also stresses the importance of its role for our current Humanity:
"The future state and the Karmic destiny of man depend on whether Manas
gravitates more downward to Kama rupa, the seat of the animal passions,
or upwards to Buddhi, the Spiritual Ego." (Key to Theosophy, p92)>>
This is all true, being the "rules" within our mayavic 7-plane
universe. We accepted these rules when we decided to
join the human life-wave passing around the Earth planetary
chain.
>>And speaking of the higher spiritual principles, Atma-Buddhi:
"Neither each separately, nor the two collectively, are of any more use
to the body of man, than sunlight and its beams are for a mass of
granite buried in the earth, unless the divine Duad is assimilated by,
and reflected in, some consciousness." (Key to Theosophy, p135)>>
I have no problem at all with this quote, but I am at a loss
as to how this has to do with anything you said. In fact, this
quote substantiates what I have been saying. Spirituality
or atma-buddhi may as well not exist for most people,
because they are not aware of it--I said exactly this in a
previous post. Why do you disagree with me and then
turn around and provide quotes supporting me?
<<And the 'consciousness' refered to is MANAS. >>
Ah!! Here may be your problem, Peter. No, it is NOT
manas that she means. Manas is beneath the duad
and thus is forever unaware of it. Manas is NOT
consciousness, but rather the human mind. These
two things have to be separated or you will get into
great difficulty and misunderstanding. Manas exists
only on the mental plane, or the third cosmic plane
upward whatever you call it. Consciousness exists
on all 7 planes but can only focus on one plane at
a time. Consciousness can be raised to higher planes
and experience atma-buddhi, and then it can lower
itself down to manas and try to share its experiences,
and then manas interprets those in various ways
according to its worldview and self-image.
Just as our physical body is confined to the physical
plane, so manas is confined to the mental plane.
It only knows what is going on physically via the
senses, and it has to interpret all data entering the
brain, so all of our experiences are interpetations.
>>I'm surprised to hear you say that if you are
familiar with what HPB wrote.
Peter>>
I think it all comes down to our personal interpretations.
And these will always have to be in line with our
worldview and self-image in order to have meaning.
Jerry S.
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