Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00450)

Some references:
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[Jerry:]
"... The ego or personality only lasts for one lifetime. The Ego or
Individuality only lasts for one manvantara. The Ego is clearly
longer-lasting and more real than the ego, but only in relativisitic
sense." ...

[Sveinn:]
Jerry, can you please be more specific about the subject you write.?
I believe that I understand your terms, but my understanding is different
from what your words lead to. It is what you write about the Individuality
that makes me write this letter.

[Jerrry:]
>>>..."The Ego or Individuality only lasts for one manvantara." ...

[Jerry:]
When we get into worrying about lesser or greater manvantaras
and so forth, we could just as well argue how many angels can fit
on the head of a pin.

[Sveinn:]
By my doctrine, I would present the idea thus:
The personality,- the lesser ego, has a lasting life,- after uniting with the
Higher Ego, the Inner Thinker,- the Soul Man.  Thus the best in man, the
identity from every incarnation, remains in the Soul. What is unfit for
the evolution of the Soul, does not reach the Soul Man. Man discards of what
is unfit by the filtering process called death; -  in this world and the
higher worlds. What is fit for the progress of the Soul Man, becomes a part
of the consciousness of the Soul Man, the Inner Thinker.

No lesser ego, that has united with the Ego,- the Soul,- is lost.
Thus we will not reincarnate,- but remain within.
We will remain within the Soul and try to guide the next person.

About words:
The words: Soul Man, Inner Thinker, Higher Ego, Ego, Higher Self,- have
identical meaning in my mind:
The word Soul has a different meaning, as the word also includes the
consciousness of the Soul Angel.
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[Jerry:]
Actually, I take the Zen approach that the ego dies and is reborn
every nanosecond, never the same any two seconds. This the whole
idea of its "continuity" is absurd.  The sense of continuity over time
that we all share (unless you bang your head and get amnesia)
is based on memory. Without memory, there is no continuity.
HPB says that only the "aroma" survives any one lifetime.

[Sveinn:]
No lesser ego, that has united with the Ego,- the Soul,- is lost.
Thus we will not reincarnate,- but remain within.
We will remain within the Soul and try to guide the next person.

[Jerry]
The "lesser ego" never unites with a higher ego. It just doesn't
happen that way, any more than the physical body can ever hope
to unite with the mind or soul or spirit. They are ever separate
things.

[Jerry:]
Well, to be quick: HPB says that the Ego is eternal, and then defines
eternity as the length of a manvantara, so I just put the two together...

[Sveinn]
By my doctrine, my understanding is:
A ego,- a person that has united with the Higher Self,- and a Ego, a Soul
Man is never lost. Individuality of the Soul is never lost. But eventually
unites with the Higher Life, the Flame of Life, The Spirit.  Thus the
Spirits evolve with the Logos.

If an Ego can not achieve its planned destiny in one Manvantara, it will
have an other opportunity in another Manvantara.  A Manvantara in
evolution, begins with individualizing bud-Egos, and Egos of different
degrees from earlier periods.  A Spirit has within its life and experience,
- in its thread of Individuality, - a countless number of graduated Souls
from former Kalpas. All of us are Adepts in the Spirit and some groups are
still older and therefore more advanced as Life Flames. Therefore some of
those bud-Egos, are Egos of Spirits who have been Choans or Buddhas in
past Kalpas. The Individuality. - The "I" is never lost, it is eternal.
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[Jerry:]
You are confusing and confounding a lot of ideas here, I think.
I equate the Individuality with the Reincarnating Ego or Higher Self.
All just words for the same thing.  So, by my definition, I cannot agree
with your last statement. The only thing that is "eternal" is the divine
Monad, because that is the only part of us that is outside space-time.
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Jerry: You think that I am confused and I think that you have missed
a thread somewhere on the line. Can you please let me know from where you
refer to HPB, by these words:

>"Well, to be quick: HPB says that the Ego is eternal, and then defines
>eternity as the length of a manvantara, so I just put the two together"...
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I took it for certain that you knew, that the Monad has a twofold
constitution. The Monad is an outer form, and within is the Flame of Life.
When the lower life has reached certain degree of maturity, then the Flame
of Life can work with increased cooperation with the Ego. Eventually, and
when the Ego,- The Soul Man - is in the process to unify with the Flame
of Life, then the Flame is no longer in need for the form of the Monad World,
and is set free. Thus the Monadic center is made up of liberated Flames of
Life. The Monads arrange around the center of the Monadic Wheel according
to their ability to generate energy.  And from the Flaming center rises the
Torrent of Flames, directed by the Chohan of the Ray.


Sveinn Freyr