Theos-Talk Archives (November 1998 Message tt00431)

>Jerry, can you please be more specific about the subject you write.?
>I believe that I understand your terms, but my understanding is different
>from what your words lead to. It is what you write about the Individuality
>that makes me write this letter.
>
>I assume that you are talking about a lesser Manvantara. Is that so.?
>

When we get into worrying about lesser or greater manvantaras
and so forth, we could just as well argue how many angels can fit
on the head of a pin.

My point is this: anything that grows or develops over time is
time-dependent and thus "stuck" within this manvantara of
space-time. This goes for anything at all that can be said to
"progress" over time. Anything that can be said to be eternal
cannot be time-dependent.


>Your presented idea:
>>>>.."The ego or personality only lasts for one lifetime."
>
>By my doctrine, I would present the idea thus:
>The personality,- the lesser ego, has a lasting life,- after uniting with
the
>Higher Ego, the Inner Thinker,- the Soul Man.  Thus the best in man, the
>identity from every incarnation, remains in the Soul. What is unfit for
>the evolution of the Soul, does not reach the Soul Man. Man discards of
what
>is unfit by the filtering process called death; -  in this world and the
>higher worlds. What is fit for the progress of the Soul Man, becomes a part
>of the consciousness of the Soul Man, the Inner Thinker.
>

Actually, I take the Zen approach that the ego dies and is reborn
every nanosecond, never the same any two seconds. This the whole
idea of its "continuity" is absurd.  The sense of continuity over time
that we all share (unless you bang your head and get amnesia)
is based on memory. Without memory, there is no continuity.
HPB says that only the "aroma" survives any one lifetime.


>No lesser ego, that has united with the Ego,- the Soul,- is lost.
>Thus we will not reincarnate,- but remain within.
>We will remain within the Soul and try to guide the next person.
>

The "lesser ego" never unites with a higher ego. It just doesn't
happen that way, any more than the physical body can ever hope
to unite with the mind or soul or spirit. They are ever separate
things.


>Your presented idea:
>>>>..."The Ego or Individuality only lasts for one manvantara." ...
>
>My first impression from your sentence is that you are writing your mind in
a
>hurry and with few words, and thus limiting your idea. But also, it may be
>possible that you literally mean exactly what the text says. Therefore, I
am
>asking you to comment on this.
>

Well, to be quick: HPB says that the Ego is eternal, and then defines
eternity as the length of a manvantara, so I just put the two together...


>If an Ego can not achieve its planned destiny in one Manvantara, it will
>have an other opportunity in another Manvantara.

We do not know what its "planned destiny is."  I believe it doesn't
have one, so I won't quibble over your notion. Anyway, we take on
a new mind and body with each incarnation, so why not take on
a new Ego with each manvantara? As above so below.


 A Manvantara in evolution,
>begins with individualizing bud-Egos, and Egos of different degrees from
>earlier periods.  A Spirit has within its life and experience, - in its
thread
>of Individuality, - a countless number of graduated Souls from former
>Kalpas. All of us are Adepts in the Spirit and some groups are still older
and
>therefore more advanced as Life Flames. Therefore some of those bud-Egos,
>are Egos of Spirits who have been Choans or Buddhas in past Kalpas.
>The Individuality. - The "I" is never lost, it is eternal.
>


You are confusing and confounding a lot of ideas here, I think.
I equate the Individuality with the Reincarnating Ego or Higher Self.
All just words for the same thing.  So, by my definition, I cannot agree
with your last statement. The only thing that is "eternal" is the divine
Monad, because that is the only part of us that is outside space-time.

Jerry S.