Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00227)

Aug 14th 1998

Dear Bjorn:

Allow me to interject some explanations to your comments below

Are any statements made by anyone more valuable or authoritative if they are
subscribed with a Name that seems to lend them that authority ?  Or, does
the inherent reasonableness of any statement make it valuable ?  Does it
open our mental doors to some deeper understanding of what we already have
learned or studied ?  I am not impressed by authorities, unless they offer
some insight and explain it in relation to the structure of Theosophy
already known to me.

To me, Theosophy is a knowledge thing, and not a belief thing.  I do not
wish to rely on the views of others, but do consider all comers and see if
they are valuable in and of themselves.

Thanks

Dallas

> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 1:37 PM
> From: "Bjorn Roxendal" <roxendal@usa.net>
> Subject: Re: ECP Masters

>W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
>>
>> Surely reading what is attributed to a "Maha Chohan 82" would make
anyone
>> wonder about the sanity of those transmitting such things.  Makes no
sense
>> as far as I can see it.
>
>It makes plain simple common sense to me. In the passage quoted below it is
>simply stated that "we" (people of this generation, in the western
civilization)
>are subject to influences that tend to dissipate the life force ("light" or
>"kundalini"). Some of those influences are listed: nicotine, alcohol,
>self-abuse, rock music and drugs. They are declared to be unhealthy,
producing
>"death" rather than life. We are urged to wean ourselves from addiction to
these
>elements of our civilization, even though it will require the passing
through
>some witdrawal symptoms.
>
>So, Dallas, please explain why statemets such as these do not make any
sense and
>why they would indicate questionable sanity on the part of its transmitter.

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Dallas:

The use of an appelation such as "Maha Chohan 82" is gratuitous and an
insult to the condition and functions of a "Maha Chohan."  That is my first
objection.  Anyone who has the audacity to employ such a designation does
not know what a "Maha Chohan" is or does.  That being the case the use of
the designation to lend power to otherwise valuable statements seems to me
to be a grave fault.  Yes, in the study of Theosophy one does come across
the meaning of "Maha Chohan" and one is given an idea of the work and
function of such a great and Wise Being.  To me it is not wise to bandy
about such designations as the karma of misuse is grave.  So I object to
anything so attributed, realizing that it stems from the psychic rather than
from the spritual planes.  A "spiritual" communication when deserved relates
to some reasonable and logical function of which the recipient is already
well aware and can fit the added information into what he already knows.
Further such messages are usually strictly private and are not to be
broadcast unless such is ordered as part of the message.  See the MAHATMA
LETTERS for these conditions and restrictions.

I do not question the wisdom of statements which on their own and of their
own rasonableness show a valuable trend.

Compare those statemens with those of the writers of the MAHATMA LETTERS and
you will exactly what I mean.

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>> If this is called Theosophy, someone is wandering pretty far into a
nowhere
>> land.
>
>Then, please, explain also what is, in your opinion, so very "untheosophic"
>about these statements.


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DALLAS :

Persoanlly I have no particular fault with the statements but the reason WHY
does not seem to be given nor any link to karma offered.  The situation
described is one that we all sense and does not need any special emphasis
that I can see.

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>
>> Of course this is IMHO entirely.
>
>Yes, of course - entirely in YVHO :)
>
>> Theosophy as I see and learned it from HPB always makes sense and appeals
to
>> the highest powers of thought and intuition in us.  It has nothing to do
>> with our personal situations.
>
>This last statement must be a mistake? You claim that theosophy has nothing
to
>do with our personal situation? Such as what is good, what is bad for us
etc? I
>am sure I could give you hundreds of references from HPB to those kinds of
>statements.
>
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DALLAS:

Misunderstanding of what I meant to say.

It is that:  our intuitions and spiritual communications from the HIGHER
SELF, being universal in scope have little to do with our personal
situations -- limited by our focus on personal desire.

External "letters" or "messages" usually convey some necessary and important
statements and are not redundant.

Look at the table in KEY to the 7 prnciples in Man and ask yourself:  is
Kama related to Buddhi ?  and if so, how.  What is the reltion of akasa to
the Astral Light ?

What is the relation if any of intuition and spiritual aspiration to any of
our personal desires and inclinations.

I do not mean that we are incapable of intuition but rather (as I say in
another positng) our consciousness bridges the gap and if we desire to
improve our own natures we control the personality and our desires and seek
to employ universal and impesonal IDEALS.

That is all I mean.

Theosophical psychology has to be grasped, and what HPB teaches in the KEY
does help. [ see in the KEY pp. 91-2,  135-6,  195-6 ]

Hope that this proves to be of some help in explaining what I am trying to
say.

Dal

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>Bjorn
>
>PS ("82" was put there as a reference to the year this was recorded)
>
>> >>
>> >> > Why do you think, O sons of God upon earth, that you sense the
>> tiredness and the fatigue in your own bodies when you ought to be young,
>> youthful, and virile? Why, this generation is experiencing the very
stealing
>> of the light, as though robbers would break in and leave no trace of
their
>> coming or of their going.
>> >> >       These fallen angels, by deliberate design, have lusted after
your
>> light! They have come for you! They pipe their tunes and you dance.
>> >> >       Shame on you!
>> >> >       Light-bearers from the sun, I call you home! I rebuke you, I
warn
>> you, and I say: Leave them! Leave them all! For you have no part with
them.
>> And if you tarry, you enter unmistakably the death coil.
>> >> >       Death is an addiction on earth in all of its forms! It becomes
>> the binding habit of nicotine or alcohol or self-abuse or rock or drugs.
>> Every addiction has its withdrawal syndrome, its crisis. You must be
willing
>> to withstand the inconvenience and the discomfort.
>> >>                                                         Maha Chohan 82
>> >
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