Theos-Talk Archives (August 1998 Message tt00224)

Bjorn Roxendal wrote:

> Yes, and each person will have his own experience and thus "proof" unto himself,
> either way. As for me, I first heard some dictations given through ECP in 1976,
> in Sweden. I didn't know anything about ECP or her organization at the time, and
> I didn't even understand English well enough to follow what was being said on
> the tape! I woud say that I was not biased in any direction as far as the
> authentiticity of this phenomenon. My experience was undeniable, however. Upon
> listening to one of these dications I was quickly drawn up in an "alternative
> state of consciousness". Prior to this I had had tangible and intense experience
> of higher states through medition, which was my frame of reference at the time.
> I found that the sphere of awareness I entered into through the dictations
> outdid my meditation experiences by many light years. That's what convinced me.


Bjorn, please consider the following:

Is it possible that your "alternative state of consciousness" had
nothing to do with the validity/nonvalidity of EC Prophet's "dictation"?
Many individuals have had profound mystical experiences which were
seemingly triggered by even prosaic things.

Or is it even possible that your experience was somehow "deceptive".  I
have a mystical friend who for years believed in Eckankar and the Eck
Masters.  He had many profound mystical experiences which he believed
was caused by the Eck Masters.  His experiences validated for him the
existence, etc. of these Eck Teachers.  In subsequent years he has read
Dr. David Christopher Lane's book on Eckankar which clearly shows that
these Eck Masters were made up by the fertile imagination of Paul
Twitchell.  My friend still does not doubt the reality of those mystical
experiences but he is now not so sure exactly what caused his
experiences!!!

Or take another example.  Your own EC Prophet channeled "Kuthumi"
concerning Alice Bailey:

“In the past we have had to withdraw our support from those who were
given the opportunity to represent us. The one who for a time had the
opportunity of representing the master Djwal Kul soon lost that
authority through intellectual pride and the brittleness of the lower
mental body, which can never be the channel of the mind of God. Thus I
expose to you the false teachings subtly woven into the work of Alice
Bailey, whose failure to surrender totally rendered her unfit as an
instrument of the Tibetan Master.”

“An Exposé of False Teachings,” Pearls of Wisdom, February 1, 1976, p.
28.

Now if we ASSUME this is really "Kuthumi" giving the messsage to Ms.
Prophet, and further assume that what is said about Alice Bailey is
"gospel truth", how do we explain the experiences of many serious,
longtime Bailey students who have ALSO had profound spiritual and
mystical experiences?  Some have told me that it was their involvement
with a true messenger (Bailey) and the genuine writings of DK/Bailey,
etc. which caused their profound experiences.  How is this possible if
what "Kuthumi" (via Prophet) says is really true?  Are their "spiritual
experiences" deceptive while yours is not? If your spiritual experiences
validate Prophet's claims why can't the Bailey students' spiritual
experiences also be proof of the validity of Bailey's claims?

I'm not trying to diss your "inner experiences" but the above examples
could be multiplied by the scores.  If we truly seek truth (which might
be uncomfortable to our present beliefs), then shouldn't we ask such
difficult questions and look for the true answers even if the truth
might be other than what we desire?