Theos-Talk Archives (June 1998 Message tt00482)

June 20th

Dear Annette:

Isn't it extraordinary how much we can get out of things ?

I have just scanned your long and interesting comments, but will
take a while to mull over the ideas and answer, so be a little
patient with me.

Wanted to acknowledge however.  I see some interesting comments
you make there.

Best wishes as always,        Dal.

> Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 12:33 PM
> From: "Annette Rivington" <libidium@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Dr. Bain and "Real Evidence"

>W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
>>
>> Annette -- you are quite right.  But for those who have very
>> "organized" minds and who desire to be able to investigate
into
>> that which we know, they need those preliminary stepping
stones.
>> How do we help them ?  That is what I had in mind.        Dal.
>Hi Dallas:
>This is something I have not spent time thinking on.  Presumably
because
>my experience has been that my life has been full of experiences
and
>learning opportunities that presented themselves sooner or later
in
>response to my requests.  It was not until the last decade of my
life
>though, that I looked back on it from the point of view of an
observer
>and analyst and could see the threads from "wish" to "receipt"
sometimes
>over decades.  It became very obvious to me that humans get to
"know" in
>response to a genuine desire "to know".  All humans have
"organized
>minds", so the process tends to be more or less standard across
the
>race.  One "asks" or "wishes" for understanding and all kinds of
people,
>events, resources, books, movies, dreams, ideas, appear to one,
like a
>gift.  If one chooses to go with it, one receives what one
desired,
>including the responsibility of becoming a fuller person.
>
>It definitely "helps" in the early stages to hear others say
things like
>"do not fear, this may be strange, but is natural".  It also
"helps"
>when one gets stuck at one point in the process if another gives
an idea
>that worked for them.  All these resources and methods "help",
however,
>the crux of this thing called life seems to be to do it alone.
To come
>to it alone and to transform alone in the time one takes.
>
>So, the action "help" can take many forms, all of which are
sucessful
>when the seeker is seeking.  I believe the concept you are
probing is
>that of encouragement for all human-kind to start the seeking
process,
>because a closed mind tends to result in life in a void.  One
could
>postulate that it is not possible to help someone who is not
seeking.
>In the dark times it is easy to believe that.  Until one is
reminded of
>karma and the natural law and then one remembers that everything
done,
>said, and thought impacts everything else in the universe so
that "help"
>is best given by "being" a fully living person.  It would be
nice and
>easy if humans could state the understandings of life in a
>"do-it-yourself" step by step program and then distribute it by
whatever
>means were the currently accepted ones.  In fact we have been
trying to
>do that for some time now and have failed.  I now believe that
this
>failure occurs because the race has separated itself from the
natural.
>Here I don't just mean a diconnection from the planet and
spiritual
>things, but the whole natural way of life for our species....an
>imbalance in family, work, time, self, education, worship.
>
>To take one part of the problem and think one has solved it,
let's say
>by writing down ideas and speaking them to audiences with
demonstrations
>included for special effects for instance, appears to be working
until
>one gathers the results for analysis.  The results show that
those most
>"helped" by this method are the ones doing the writing and
speaking.
>Also that the "hit rate" for permanent transformation of those
listening
>is very small.  Also that this process takes years and often
bumps back
>to square one when the speaker passes on or the book becomes
"dated".
>Contrast this method with the natural process of living with a
>grandparent, loving the grandparent, watching them do as they
say,
>seeing it bring them peace and prosperity, and remembering all
of them -
>words, sights, smells, feelings - always, within.  Extrapolate
that 50
>year time span to thousands of years!
>
>Look at all the good ideas that have fallen by the wayside.
Take for
>instance Maslow's theory of the Hierarchy of Needs.  Satisfy the
lower
>level needs of the physical and the higher level
self-actualization is
>facilitated.  Sounds logical.  The approaches of our welfare
systems and
>our charitable organizations are based on this concept.  It
fails.
>
>I cannot answer your question properly as yet.  I need more
time.  I am
>thinking on these ideas:
>perhaps we have strayed too far from the original plan and can
only be
>brought back by an armageddon
>perhaps this state of affairs shows that the plan is very
successful
>because the plan was to give us freedom of choice in which we
would lose
>our way and in so doing would struggle to find it again
>perhaps "help" for others is entirely superfluous and ego driven
and all
>that is necessary is to be "self"
>
>I have read recently of a theory that the reason we do not use
the other
>70% odd of our brain is because we shut it down when we, as a
race,
>experienced traumatic cosmic events.  That the memories are
still there
>for all of us and that we can transcend the fear and unlock the
>knowledge.
>I would like to pursue that idea and then get back to you.
>
>In the meantime, on a daily basis, if the people have the
courage to
>tell the stories, to communicate their experiences, to walk the
talk...
>at least the knowledge of the existance of the knowledge can
live and it
>seems can be spread, like a certain Bank once advertized - one
customer
>at a time.
>
>So, dear Dallas, if in this lifetime you have chosen to go with
the
>state of being of a "talking books", we need that help, it is
not in
>vain, it's a valuable part of the whole process.  PART OF.  Hey,
I'm
>writing to you about theosophy when I never expected to do so.
Can't be
>bad?
>Blessed Be
>Annette
>
>