Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00630)

April 30th 1998

Dear Mark: April 30th
Yours of 28

In my own esteem I really know very little. I therefore use the
statements made by others who seem to have better learning than I
have to illustrate what seems, to me, to be a reasonable view.

I also offer sources, quotations, what-not, so that those who
read what I offer can go to those sources and see whether there
is to be found there that which I thought was valuable.

And that is all that I do. Well, not quite, as I do a lot of
thinking about what I do read, and try to gather scattered
statements made, together, so that from such a mosaic a more
definite pattern ( which, it should be agreed, is the way in
which my mind arranges them) -- but as I may not be entirely
confident of my own accuracy of deduction, I present them freely
so that others can cross check them.

It is my firm opinion that knowledge and wisdom is common
property, and that we grow by working with each other, sharing
what we think we have found, and so if we offer our findings, we
may help others, and in reciprocity, they can correct or enhance
what we have offered. How were the Pyramids built ? By the
labor of many thousands of devoted people. Not by slaves !
 Incidentally: Have you read THE MESSAGE OF THE SPHINX by G.
Hancock and R. Bauval -- I found it very thought provoking --
Crown Publishers, N.Y. 1996 ]

As to personal experiences -- well, if we are all immortals, we
have probably extended our quotas in the past, had some successes
( or we would not be here, anxious to learn and to progress) and
some "failures" -- which is why we are not a lot further along.
And so on and so forth. As to those of this life, if I have had
any then I would be most reticent, as they mean something to me,
and very little to any others. There is a problem to be
overcome. It there are ( generally speaking ) three main planes
of human observation, and our passage from 1 to 3 and back again
to 1, is always through 2 I mean:

1. The Physical where we are awake and conscious just now,

2. The Psychic -- of which dream and trance experience are
samples
 [ Actually the physical input of a vibrational
nature is translated into
 electro-magnetic impulses and through the nerves
the Brain centers
 are affected. The Real Man, the Inner Observer
sees and watches the
 Brain-screen and recording, responds from
experience, memory and
 active decision to those impulses -- the output
being volition, choice,
 actions, words, thoughts, feelings and our
"deeds" are based on
 these many combinations. And so the brain is
told what to do and the
 nerve impulses from down from It to produce our
words, thoughts,
 feelings and "deeds" on this, the physical
plane. ]

3. The Spiritual -- of which our observation may be distorted
 { allow me to re-quote again a valuable source
for understanding this:
 HPB TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE pp.
66-76. }

With these as a basis we ought to be able to do almost anything,
for a grasp of their potential opens all the "worlds" to our
eyes. -- But it takes time and effort.

 "That we all labor together, transmitting the same charge and
succession...."

 Dallas

>From: "Mark Kusek" <mark@withoutwalls.com>
>Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 2:29 AM
>Subject: Re: : Theosophy in the mist

>> W. Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
>>
>> Thinking more about the Monad strikes me as valuable. Can
>> you turn to the S D Vol. 1, pp. 570-573 and see if that adds
to
>> our exchange? I have always found the ideas placed there
>> inspiring.
>>
>> Also as to the Three in One That is apparently One that crops
up
>> in all the ancient philosophical-religions, and in ISIS she
gives
>> numerous examples.
>
>Dallas,
>You apparently are locked in a continuous cycle of reading and
thinking
>about book knowledge that you could conceivably continue to spin
in for
>years and years. Maybe, that really does it for you, maybe it
doesn't,
>(it seems like it does). I won't fault you for it, if you're
getting
>what you need from it. So be it.
>
>But if you had the opportunity to experience spirituality
directly or
>read a book about someone else who had apparently done so, what
would
>you choose to do?
>==================================================

 FIRST I WOULD READ -- THEN INVESTIGATE - BUT NOT PLUNGE INTO
 ANYTHING THAT I CNNOT PREVIEW. i AM NOT A "RISK-TAKER."
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>I like a good book as much as the next fellow, but after all,
there is a
>difference.
>
>How come you don't write about what it really is like for you?
Why
>always cloak yourself with quotes from Blavatsky, et al? They
shouldn't
>buffer you from your own Selfhood. Why prefer second hand
understanding?
>Do you have experience of the Mystery within you? If so, express
it.

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 I GUESS THAT INDIVIDUAL SELFHOOD SHOWS ITSELF IN MANY WAYS
 YOU IN AND THROUGH ART. MINE THROUGH THOUGHT AND CAREFUL
 CONSIDERATION -- WE ARE ALL VARIABLES, BUT WE DO HAVE
 COMMON QUALITIES AND DEVELOP ALONG OUR CHOSEN LINES.

===================================================

>
>What good is all of this if, from time to time, you don't try to
fall
>back on your own attainment and understanding? It's almost like
you
>esteem Blavatsky and the Masters more than you do the Divine
spark
>within you, always quoting chapter and verse. I suspect that you
are not
>alone.

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NOT AT ALL. I AM VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE DIVINE SPARK. I RELY ON
IT
 JUST AS WE ALL DO. BUT I DO NOT NEED TO TAKE RISKS WHEN ON
 INQUIRY, I CAN FIND THAT THE DIVINE SPARK IN OTHES AGREES
WITH
 WHAT MY OWS SPEAKS OF AND RECOMMENDS

iT IS ONLY MY OWN DESIRE NATURE THAT IS INCAPABLE OF LOOKING
 INTO THE FUTURE WHICH WOULD SEEK TO IMPELL ME TO TAKE AN
 ADVENTURE -- A KIND OF LEAP INTO THE UNKNOWN. i DONT
CONSIDER
 THAT I WOULD BE WISE TO DO THAT.
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>
>Forgive me if I am blunt, but what is all this instruction for
if,
>ultimately, we never consciously allow ourselves the experience
of our
>own true Being?

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 MARC: I AM CONVINCED THAT THE DIVINE SPARK WITHIN INCARNATES
 INTO THIS BODY, SO THAT IT CAN SERVE IT AS A GUIDE OR A
TUTOR.
 I AM OF THE OPINION THAT IT HAS ALREADY ACHIEVED A VERY GREAT
 LEVEL OF PROGRESS -- THAT IT IS ONE WITH THE VAST OVER-SOUL
OR
 THE SPIRITUAL UNITY OF ALL. IT IS A "RAY" OF THAT DIVINE
ALL, AND
 AS SUCH, IT IS UNITED TO ALL HIGHER SELVES, AND YET DETACHED,
SO
 AS TO ASSIST THE DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESS OF ALL THE
 INEXPERIENCED "MONADS" -- "LIFE-ATOMS" -- WHICH GO TO FORM MY
 PERSONALITY, AND WHICH COME AND GO FROM THE VAST OCEAN OF
 SUCH BEINGS. -- SO I FEEL I DO KNOW SOMETHING, AND YET I
HAVE A
 LOT TO LEARN. I CAN OFFER WHAT I THINK IS VALUABLE.

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> And I am "curious" too ass you may have noticed.
Thanks, Dal.