Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00118)

Reading the history it appears that even though Masters M & KH took on the
responsibility to establish TS, that higherups were involved in the whole
project. Sylvia Cranston mentions a reference that the chelas of every Adept
was "forced" to join TS in the early days. So the project must have been of
such an importance and magnitude that got everyone in the Brotherhood
involved. We will never know the full background, since from a hierarchial
point of view, the plans of the higherups may not have been fully disclosed
tothe Real Founders or even known, they may not have been allowed to
disclose it. Just my speculation for whatever it is worth.

mkr

At 10:51 AM 4/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Govert wrote:
>
>K has unparallelled stature because he was trained for many lives to be
>the
>vehicle for a far superior consciousness. He was not just luckily born
>with
>it, nor did CWL just luckily pick him. It was all part of a plan, and
>both K
>and HPB were aware of that.
>
>Daniel asks:
>
>How do you KNOW HPB was aware of "that"?
>
>I respond:
>
>I should have qualified better "that." I meant HPB was aware of a plan,
>because of my reading of the last chapter of the 'Key.' (see below again).
>She of course was not aware during her lifetime that this particular soul,
>soon to reincarnate as Jiddu Krishnamurti, would be that 'Torch bearer of
>truth.'
>
>> Again from my "Krishnamurti and the World Teacher Project: Some
>Theosophical
>> Perceptions."
>>
>> "Reinforcing this view is an interesting, and at first sight puzzling,
>> remark Krishnamurti made about Annie Besant and the Theosophical Society
>> during an equally interesting conversation in 1979 with his friends, Radha
>> Burnier and Pupul Jayakar, while discussing Burnier's possible candidacy
>for
>> the presidency of the Theosophical Society. "Mrs.Besant intended the land
>> at Adyar [the T.S. international headquarters] to be meant for the
>> teaching. The Theosophical Society has failed, the original purpose is
>> destroyed." This remark contains many assumptions and finds its proper
>> context in Besant's understanding of the mission of the Theosophical
>Society
>> and the role of Krishnamurti therein. Annie Besant thought she was
>> fulfilling a mission of the Theosophical Society, which was not stated as
>> one of its official objectives, but was given to it by Helena P.
>> Blavatsky--one of the founders of the Theosophical Society and the
>society's
>> main source of ideas--when she, at the close of her life, announced the
>> coming of a "torch-bearer of Truth" for the later part of the twentieth
>> century. The mission of the Theosophical Society, according to Blavatsky,
>> was to prepare the way for this "new leader" and prepare "the minds of
>> men....for his message." At his arrival the Theosophical Society would be
>> available to him to remove the "merely mechanical, material obstacles and
>> difficulties from his path." Indicating the possibility of a glorious
>> long-term goal of this plan, she states that if "the Theosophical Society
>> survives and lives true to its mission...earth will be a heaven in the
>> twenty-first century." When Besant was challenged about her involvement
>in
>> the Order of the Star and her speaking of "the T.S. as being the Herald
>of
>> the coming Teacher," she defended herself by referring explicitly to
>> Blavatsky's view about the future mission of the Theosophical Society: "My
>> crime is that I share it, and do what my poor powers permit in preparing
>the
>> minds of men for that coming." Besant wrote that the only difference
>between
>> herself and Blavatsky regarding the coming of "the next great Teacher" was
>> that "she put that event perhaps half a century later than I do. Which of
>> us is right only time can show."
>> I think it is reasonable to state that the particulars of Blavatsky's and
>> Besant's views were picked up by Krishnamurti during his formative years.
>> He might even have read Blavatsky's statement referred to above. If so,
>> this might provide the ground to put Krishnamurti's remark in historical
>> perspective, and to explain the underlying structural similarity between
>his
>> remark and Blavatsky's vision. With this in mind a reconstructed reading
>of
>> Krishnamurti's statement would result in the following: "Mrs.Besant [and
>> Blavatsky] intended [subscribed to the view that] the land at Adyar [the
>> Theosophical Society] to be meant [to be available] for the teaching [for
>> the teacher]. The Theosophical Society has failed [did not to cooperate],
>> the original purpose [the mission of the Theosophical Society to herald
>and
>> aid the teacher] is destroyed [has not been fulfilled]." The point of this
>> digression is to show that implicit in this remark is the self-perception
>of
>> Krishnamurti as the teacher, who was expected and did come, but found the
>> Theosophical Society not cooperative."
>>
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