Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00119)

Many times K had mentioned about something sacred and called it "it".
Generally people anthromorphize higher (more ahead in their spiritual
growth) so I believe he did not want to use any name which will be
misunderstood. There is validity in your explanation.

mkr

At 09:37 AM 4/7/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Govert,
>
>You are the first person I ever remember agreeing with my thought regarding
>the races. I realize the paper is not too clear, because there are many
>sides to the concept that were not discussed. Thank you for speaking out
>and being the first to add validity to my thinking. I fear others just
>listen politely and then choose to ignore the idea entirely.
>
>I would like to comment on your passage below:
>
>>>From my "Krishnamurti and the World Teacher Project: Some Theosophical
>>Perceptions."
>>
>>"Krishnamurti revealed to Mary Zimbalist another intriguing indication of
>>his self-perception when he discussed with her in May 1975 his forthcoming
>>biography by Mary Lutyens. She had asked him why the Masters, if they
>>existed, had spoken in the old days, but not recently. “There is no need
>>for them now the Lord is here” was Krishnamurti's reply.
>
>In my mind, I could account for this differently. As dearly as I love the
>thought of the Masters and value their presence in our life on earth today,
>I do not think it possible that our evolutions continue alongside each
>other infinitely. If they are present during man's ascension and at key
>points in the creation of our human world (a mystery), then it is possible
>that some day in the future (at the end of the seventh race) we will have
>to depart from the masters. I only recently have considered this thought
>and don't like it very much, but the only thing better than having their
>assistance and life energies around is the thought of joining with the
>"sun," the solar logos, Ishvara, and having a more direct contact with the
>"life" of our solar system. I sense that even during the fourth race this
>direct contact with the solar logos is very strong, due to the fact that
>there is a constant presence of a dual nature in man's ascent and descent -
>how would a duality be present during the "most material" of the races? The
>only conclusion I have is that man is both the "good and the bad," but that
>he is so under the direction of the solar logos and as a manifestation of
>the life of the solar logos.
>
>Mary Lutyens did
>>not think it was a serious remark, because of the tone of his voice. The
>>same idea appeared, this time apparently in a serious way, in a dialogue
>>between Krishnamurti and some persons at Brockwood Park, England, in the
>>autumn of 1975, when the subject of his biography came up: “there is the
>>idea that when he [the Bodhisattva] manifests all the others [the Masters]
>>keep quiet.” Is Krishnamurti referring to himself?
>
>I don't know how to consider the Bodhisattva, except that in the creation
>of the world, the Buddha projects forth an essence that is then transformed
>into a living Bodhisattva and I'd have to look for a quote on this matter.
>Even the attempt at union with the spirit of our earth is a noble endeavor.
>In my "private consideration" of I AM Temple teachings, I ponder whether
>the essence they call Victory is not the kumara of the Earth. It is
>considered that this Victory is a resident of Venus. I think it would be
>very joyful to unite with the energy of earth in such a way that we felt we
>were blessing a planetary manifestation of another planet. The kumara here
>which would be responsible for directing earth's energy to other planets in
>a serial fashion to the way seven sacred planets affect us. Our earth is
>certainly, in return, a sacred planet to seven periods of the evolutions of
>the other planets.
>
>When reading the whole
>>dialogue that specific question arises irresistibly. The just-quoted
>>sentence was preceded by an elaboration of the idea of the Bodhisattva:
>>“There is a very ancient tradition about the Bodhisattva that there is a
>>state of consciousness, let me put it that way, which is the essence of
>>compassion. And when the world is in chaos that essence of compassion
>>manifests itself. That is the whole idea behind the Avatar and the
>>Bodhisattva. And there are various gradations, initiations, various Masters
>>and so on...” I think Krishnamurti does refer to himself, but he is not
>>doing so explicitly, because for him it was “irrelevant,” though not
>>irrelevant enough not to mention it."
>>
>>Govert
>
>Is it possible to consider the Bodhisattva to be our earth or our sun in
>your mind?