Theos-Talk Archives (April 1998 Message tt00103)

>Dallas writes:
>

> " The unwise look for a "messenger," while the wise look for
>a message." Brief and sharp.

Far more important than the questions about ECP herself is the content of
the messages received through her. At a certain stage of this discussion we
might get into the actual content of them and leave behind the (still
important) discussion about the messenger herself and the good and bad sides
of C.U.T.

>To my mind it is not a question of who to look for, but of how
>we, working and living now with this marvelous wisdom available,
>can use it to help others. Can we make it possible for an
>"Avatara" to return ? Do we deserve it ?

I think Avataras come and go as a part of our collective spiritual
evolution. Apparently we deserved something when the project with Maitreya
and Krishnamurti was started.

If we apply theosophy in our lives, we
>make it possible for Them to come and give added assistance. We
>recognize them when we have made Theosophy a living power in our
>lives. This is an effort that each one does for themselves, and
>then encourages others to do for themselves, and in this there is
>a great union of brothers and sisters.
>
>Look around. How many of us truly have studied Theosophy so as
>to know how Karma works, and where. So as to know what in man
>actually reincarnates, and what does not. Knows what the "Astral
>Light" is , and what are the "elementals" that live therein along
>with many other kinds of "beings."
>
>Are we convinced of the Unity of the Universe so that we actually
>practice brotherhood, or do we have reservations about this, or
>that individual because of they way in which they write or think
>? Where do tolerance and generosity arise ?
>
>Finally, take what HPB says about evolution as a whole -- the
>grand idea that all living things (the "life-atoms") are
>potential mind-men, given enough time (as immortals) to become so
>through experience. Where did we acquire our minds ? How are we
>using them ? Where are we going ? How does one become a Mahatma
>? -- these are of course rhetorical questions, but are only
>advanced by me to indicate all the avenues of work and thought
>that we can handle.
>
>If we do this in harmony and without waving politics, and
>impossible hopes around, we all, taken together may accomplish
>something useful. Again taking the KEY quotation and the
>necessary setting required for a "new messenger" to work
>effectively -- which of the various theosophical bodies today
>provides a tolerant, generous, and freedom from political power,
>and money-interested environment ? No. I do not mean for you or
>anyone of our friends to answer this, but only to think about it.
>
>I do not claim to have any answers that are sure or "pat." But I
>do have a lot of questions that I have been asking myself for a
>very long number of years. I can also say that I have found a
>number of answers in theosophical literature written by HPB.
>
>Best wishes as always, Dallas
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "M K Ramadoss" <ramadoss@eden.com>
>Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 12:21 AM
>Subject: Re:Question: What signs HPB left to locate new messenger?
>
>>At 12:32 AM 4/5/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>>>M K Ramadoss wrote Saturday, April 04, 1998 11:00 PM:
>>>
>>>>Could there be others who are also messengers?
>>>
>>>That is an interesting question. There is one point that is
>not entirely
>>clear
>>>to me in HBP's writings. First, HPB says this person will
>come between
>>>1975-1999. After which she says it would be too late. Notice
>additionally,
>>>that she says the person is a "HE." ECP is a "SHE." As well
>as the
>>knowledge
>>>that Summit Lighthouse is not Theosophy organization. Please
>notice the text
>>>repeated
>>>below and then my additional comments following.
>>>
>>>> united body of people ready to welcome the new torch-bearer
>>>> of Truth. He will find the minds of men prepared for his
>message, a
>>language
>>>> ready for him in which to clothe the new truths he brings, an
>organization
>>>> awaiting his arrival, which will remove the merely
>mechanical, material
>>>> obstacles and difficulties from his path."
>>>> --H.P. Blavatsky, The Key to Theosophy
>>>> (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889), pp.
>306-307.
>>>
>>>
>>>G. de Purucker mentions in the appendix area of
>FOUNTAIN-SOURCE OF
>>OCCULTISM
>>>that HBP said she would return after another person had started
>an
>>organization
>>>for HPB to work within. That seems to match the text above. I
>don't have
>>>Puruckers book to refer to at this moment. If someone could
>look it up
>>and add
>>>it into this information, I would appreciate it very much as it
>would
>>complete
>>>some thoughts I am having regarding this subject! I would
>return the favor
>>>gladly in some other way!
>>>
>>>Mr. Ramadoss, do you have any additional thoughts or supporting
>information
>>>based on Theosophy regarding this subject as I would appreciate
>them in my
>>own
>>>search for the answer to your question?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> J M Hoover
>>
>>HPB was very clear about the messenger to be expected this
>century. From
>>what I have read, Krishnamurti fits the scenario except that he
>did not
>>pursue the plan that was expected of him by Annie Besant and
>Leadbeater.
>>With all the hype and the tremendous influence that Annie Besant
>had and
>>also the very close relationship Krishnaji had with her -- he
>always
>>referred her as mother -- he came out with the startling stand
>that "Truth
>>is a Pathless Land" and no organization or no system can take
>one to Truth.
>>He stuck to it rest of his life with no wavering or
>modification.
>>
>>
>>Considering the huge number of people who have been affected by
>>Krishnamurti, there is a very good possibility he may fit the
>profile.
>>
>>Having said all this, no one can be sure. May be a 1,000 years
>from now, if
>>no one knows about Krishnamurti or his writings/speeches, then
>we can
>>dismiss him. If on the other hand his philosophy flourishes at
>that time,
>>then it would be a corrobortive information.
>>
>>However there are many who does not think that he does not fit
>the profile.
>>So this argument may go on for many years to come.
>>
>>The above is just my view. Others mileage and direction may
>vary.
>>
>>mkr
>>
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