Theos-Talk Archives (March 1998 Message tt00066)

I think that is necessary to discern: TheoSophia, that is eternal; TS that
is a corps passible of mistakes; and last but not least,
theosophists...humans like me and like you. Theosophists have good ideals
but if they don't  are "Masters" yet...the TheoSophia don't is
culpable...(sorry if my english is not good, I'm brazilian, my language is
portuguese) Fernando de Freitas
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Estrella <gidondel@usa.net>
Para: theos-talk@theosophy.com <theos-talk@theosophy.com>
Data: Sexta-feira, 6 de Março de 1998 23:50
Assunto: Re:Re: Politics

>Brenda S. Tucker wrote:
>>
>> At 10:52 AM 3/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> >hi -
>> >
>> >I just have a couple points.
>> >
>> >1) it is implicit in the first object that
>> >any person who claims to be a theosophist
>> >must be willing to accept differences between
>> >individuals as well as (learn how to) interact
>> >with those individuals constructively.
>>
>> This is not true because if an individual is not constructive, you can
not
>> make him constructive by interacting with him. Instead you have to stop -
>> annihilate - put an end to their destructiveness first and this
practically
>> requires an ascended master to come through and blast away all
>> destructiveness.
>
>How can you know if an individual is aggresive-destructive??
>
>>   Internet
>> >discussion lists are the perfect medium to allow
>> >each individual to grow and experience *first
>> >hand* exactly those difficulties which are
>> >contained within the first object.
>>
>> We do not have to experience other human individuals first hand to live
our
>> first object. We only have to experience adepts first hand to live our
>> first object.
>
>How can you 'experience' an adept??
>
>>
>> >i.e. each theosophist had better learn how to get along
>> >with ALL other theosophists *or* they will remain
>> >in that state of total hypocrisy.
>>
>> This is not true because it is for some people to join the Society and be
>> members a short time only and while their experience may be very
beneficial
>> to them it was not because we all learned how to "get along," it was
>> because the adepts accomplished their purpose with the individual and
they
>> could depart and experience without their membership.
>>
>> Using *silence*
>> >as a technique to achieve the first object is
>> >only ignoring the issue,  or worse yet...denying
>> >their own reality and Karma.
>>
>> This is not true because silence is actually a very good way to keep our
>> contact with the Masters and with the light within, because we are not
>> allowing the human in ourselves to act at all. We are completely
>> annihilating our human verbal reactions and by annihilating the human we
>> allow the TRUE light of Christ to live in a place where all darkness is
>> dispelled.
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>
>I don't get it. you mean that all the goodness of humanity is not
>properly ours, but only the 'masters' are the good ones??
>You don't have faith in humanity and God, Brenda??
>Or are we sooo bad, that only because of some 'master' we will be good??
>?
>I am only wondering....
>Estrella
>P.S. Why is that all the pepole here are so sensitive?? i haven't feel
>aggressiveness in this both lists theos-l and theos-talk. it is true
>that some pepole here are 'not nice' to others, it is true and i have
>noted that myself.but the most of the time the only thing pepole want to
>do is try to make their points of view clear. sometimes pepole is full
>of pressure of many kinds, and do not post things "deliquatesely sweet"
>but that does'nt mean pepole is aggresive or bad.
>If most of you guys and gals could get to this frontier, and talk with
>Mexican pepole of Baja California, most of you i bet would run out
>desesperatly, i bet. pepole here is very honest to say things, and is
>infrequent the so called "politeness" that most of the time is
>hypocrisy.pepole here just say things and that.no one cares, and no one
>feels "aggreded" and pickyness like that.Everyone happy here :P