Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00105)

Dear Mark,

>What makes you say that "HPB and the Masters" refute the idea?

The teachings of the rounds, globe chains, and lifewaves. After seven
rounds, each kingdom graduates to the next level. What was animal becomes
human, etc. and the lifewaves follow each other around the globes and do
not reside on the same globe together, according to my interpretation of
the material.
>
>As I understand Theosophy (at least according to AB/CWL), while the
>mineral, plant and animal kingdoms exist on their own account and for
>their own purposes, they are also often indeed associated with evolving
>Monads (i.e., Monads that have nascent existence in the Upper Triad via
>their "Rays" and presence in their lower triads via the permanent
>atoms). Especially as regards the plant and animal kingdoms. Are these
>Monads not to be considered "chain-like life forms?"

They could be part of the chain, but not part of the earth presently.

>In the endless peregrinations
>of the Monad throughout infinite manvantaric cycles, how can you be so
>sure that they have not already been so?

Now I don't think I should be accused of that!
>> I now look at them (and elements, too) as ensouled by angels (on earth).
>> Each of these kingdoms has its own globe of manifestation and (to my
>> dismay) are not nearly evolved as we have pictured them within our own
>> globe. We travel with this group of angels so that when we leave this globe
>> the angels go with us and work with us to create a human world again (as we
>> would like it).
>
>Brenda, if you like, I'd reccommend Geoffrey Hodson's "The Brotherhood
>of Angels and Men" as well as his "Kingdom of the Gods" or "Clairvoyant
>Investigations" for insights into the vast life of the Devic Kingdom by
>this renown Theosophical seer. That is if you haven't come accross them
>already. There are some wonderful pictures in all of the books too. I
>really love them.

I don't mean (as it appears above) that there are not ensouled animals and
plants, only that they are not here on earth with us in an ensouled form,
but in a sishta form. If this were the case, I would have to assume that
the dinosaurs were as far evolved as the animals got before it turned into
man's time to inhabit the earth. Reptiles are not nearly as nice as our
animals, so I would assume the same condition to hold for the plant kingdom.
>
>> The real animals have just left that primitive dinosaur state and while
>> perhaps not mammals on their next globe, could be manifesting forth as
>> birds, I suppose. The real plants are probably mushy, oozy, and maybe more
>> along the lines of cactuses on earth today. I don't know, I'm just
>> guessing. I've studied cactus a little and they are fun.

>
>Where are you getting this information from?

I had to come up with some alternative to having their ensouled existence
here,  because of the teaching concerning the seven globes in this earth
chain and how the lifewaves travel a certain distance from each other so
that each globe ahead of us is occupied with a different kingdom: the
mineral on Globe G, the vegetable on Globe F, the animal on Globe E and
here we are, the last of seven lifewaves, on Globe D, earth. This is
taken from The Mahatma Letters, The Secret Doctrine, and The Occult World and
Esoteric Buddhism, if I remember correctly.

I can't remember CWL/AB's writings very well. I'll have to reread them.
Don't they suggest that these beings are going in an opposite direction and
involving rather evolving?