Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00104)

> Brenda S. Tucker wrote:

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> what has "tricked" me and perhaps tricked everyone, is that
> we are actually existing alongside plants and animals. This is a very
> common idea that no one (except maybe HPB and the masters) has tried to
> refute. But do we really? If these forms are empty of an evolving,
> chain-like life form, in other words, the ensouling life will never really
> reach the human stage of existence, maybe some heads would turn about what
> we can and can't do with plants and animals.

What makes you say that "HPB and the Masters" refute the idea?

As I understand Theosophy (at least according to AB/CWL), while the
mineral, plant and animal kingdoms exist on their own account and for
their own purposes, they are also often indeed associated with evolving
Monads (i.e., Monads that have nascent existence in the Upper Triad via
their "Rays" and presence in their lower triads via the permanent
atoms). Especially as regards the plant and animal kingdoms. Are these
Monads not to be considered "chain-like life forms?"

They may not as yet have an individualized self-consciousness (which is
the hallmark of the Human kingdom), but they are sentient "children"
nonetheless, dependant upon and being nourished by the cherishing life
of the Logos, the cooperating guidance of the Devas and their own blind
pressure.

While they may or may not, in any particular cycle during the evolution
of our present system, be ready for the independant life of "the human
stage of existence", they eventually will. In the endless peregrinations
of the Monad throughout infinite manvantaric cycles, how can you be so
sure that they have not already been so?

The Buddhists teach Ahimsa (or harmlessness toward life) for that very
reason, i.e., that all sentient beings, in the countless cycles of
existence, were at one time or another your very own Mother and so
should be respected accordingly.  It is one of the basic doctrines
engendering compassion.

> I now look at them (and elements, too) as ensouled by angels (on earth).
> Each of these kingdoms has its own globe of manifestation and (to my
> dismay) are not nearly evolved as we have pictured them within our own
> globe. We travel with this group of angels so that when we leave this globe
> the angels go with us and work with us to create a human world again (as we
> would like it).

Brenda, if you like, I'd reccommend Geoffrey Hodson's "The Brotherhood
of Angels and Men" as well as his "Kingdom of the Gods" or "Clairvoyant
Investigations" for insights into the vast life of the Devic Kingdom by
this renown Theosophical seer. That is if you haven't come accross them
already. There are some wonderful pictures in all of the books too. I
really love them.

> The real animals have just left that primitive dinosaur state and while
> perhaps not mammals on their next globe, could be manifesting forth as
> birds, I suppose. The real plants are probably mushy, oozy, and maybe more
> along the lines of cactuses on earth today. I don't know, I'm just
> guessing. I've studied cactus a little and they are fun.

Where are you getting this information from?

> We are in
> illusion because we think that plants and animals are developed like we
> have them. We are not in illusion when we look at ourselves as beings or at
> the higher realm of beings because we find out more and more about the true
> and real identity.

Sincerely seeking to discover your true and real identity is wise.

> The difference would be one that we make it. When I think about what
> ascended masters are able to do with me and the world around me,
> as I watch this take place, I transplant these ideas to what I might be
> able to accomplish with animal forms. This is purpose it is not play.
> There may also be specific intent to make ourselves beneficial beings to
> solar life forms and to create conditions that would not only be blessings
> to humans, but beneficial to the adepts when their time comes and for their
> purposes. So many beings stand to benefit from man's existence if we can
> plan out carefully what impacts there are currently and what we might
> choose to encompass as living conditions in the future.

Now there's an ambition.



One sees her
so far up in the clouds,
so at a distance,

     one gasps for breath.
     The Cosmic Lady Yin,

          aspiring and soaring,

               one forgets
               to look down

               to the earth




               far


               below ...


Regards,
Mark
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