Theos-Talk Archives (January 1998 Message tt00081)

Jerrry-thanks for comments but
I asked-Are there Judge letters (1887-93)
showing this new development?  I mean
letters (87-93)written by W Judge showing
he had intimate contact with Master.

Again I asked---Did W Judge's direct
contact with Master occur only after Mrs
Blavatsky departed this life?

1879-87 appears from Judge's
letters to be period when W Judge was not
in direct contact or had few contacts.
Are there letters of W Judge showing
when this new direct intimate contact
started up 1887 or after?

I've received E Garett's book from
correspondent in England.  What is
earliest Master letter precipitated
thru W Judge in 1880s (1887 or later?)?

Thanks to all public and private
email correspondents on this subject.
May try to do thesis on Judge if
okayed.

David Green


>
>I was not aware that you had asked these questions.  Must have been a
>post I missed.
>
>> An email correspondent from
>> London sent me an 1893 letter of Mr Judge to Olcutt.
>> In the letter W Judge claimed many things
>> & numerous direct conversations with
>> the Master.
>>
>
>> Are there Judge letters (1887-93)
>> showing this new development?
>>
>
>There are facsimiles of two letters written to Judge reproduced in the
>historical introduction of volume one of Dara Eklund's ECHOES OF THE
>ORIENT  (Judge's collected writings).  The originals are in the
Archives
>of the TS in Pasadena (Former Point Loma TS).  Some Mahatma letters
sent
>to Besant through Judge are quoted or reproduced in Edmund Garrett's
>ISIS VERY MUCH UNVEILED.  Those letters are in the Adyar Archives and
>not available for examination.
>
>> Did W Judge's direct contact with
>> the Master occur only after Mrs
>> Blavatsky departed this life?
>>
>
>Judge claimed to have effected his first precipitation in New York in
>1875.  Obviously HPB would have been near by and most probably assisted
>in this precipitation.  In HPB's Diaries,  an entry for Dec. 13, 1878
>says:  "Judge and Wim[bridge] and H.S.O. and Morya in consultation
until
>4 a.m." (BCW I: 430)  I think that  Judge's testimony and HPB's diary
>entry is enough evidence to raise questions concerning Besant's and
>Olcott's accusations to the contrary.  Further, I think you need to
>consider that Besant did not join the TS until May of 1889, and only
>knew HPB for a very few short months before that.  Therefore, Besant's
>accusations about Judge could only have come from her interpretations
>of  letters and not from personal knowledge.   I have already shown in
>an earlier post, a case where Olcott's  testimony concerning the
>"poisoned letter"  is completely contradicted by the letter itself.
>This, in my mind, throws question upon the reliability of the rest of
>Olcott's testimony against Judge.
>
>JJHE



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