Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00193)

A few views.

Hardly....
Selfcontradictions are never helpful.
I mentioned the term --- Great mutual toleration --- given by Blavatsky in her original Programe Manuscript.
And it is the apperent rejection of this, which seem to be where, so to speak, the "shoe pinches" in many quarters in various theosophical organisation and forums and related ones, esoteric and what not. And often a quite visible lack of understanding of the original program of the Theosophical Society.
.But this is of course just my view in these days.




M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: paulobaptista_v 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:37 PM
  Subject: Re: theos-talk Situation in the American Section of TS(Adyar)


    
  Recently an administrator of that forum wrote this:

  "Well, it is kind of unfortunate that the whole idea of HPB and masters shows up here, as we are working to move away from this type of magical thinking. "

  Is this an example of open-minded and non-sectarian approach?

  PB

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:
  >
  > Dear MKR
  > 
  > My views are:
  > 
  > You wrote:
  > "To provide a forum for men and women interested in theosophical topics, in
  > the USA, one long time theosophist single handed setup, theosophy.net,
  > an open Internet forum with no financial or other help from any
  > organization. This forum now has over 1,000 members around the world and it
  > just shows what a determined and committed member can achieve."
  > 
  > M. Sufilight asks
  > Does this imply that the forum is primarily pro-USA membership? (Iask because it seem to be implied.)
  > And does it imply that this particular forum follow the Original Lines of the Theospphical Society as given in 1875-1891?
  > Or a different set of lines?.......And controlled by a democratical elected administration? Or merely controlled by a self-elected Elite group?
  > 
  > Honest answers are one thing. Silence can be taken as contempt for the truth and for honesty.
  > 
  > Is it not the plain truth that the Leadership in above named forum - in silence NOT known by the members of the forum - almost monthly throws a number of persons out of the forum and hampers and "gags" happy and wellmeant freedom of speech members with warnings as if THEIR (the Leaderships) freedom of speech law is equal to altruism? And that is caled a prime example of Altruism? 
  > But maybe I am mistaken and should avoid asking well meant questions.
  > 
  > 
  > _______________
  > 
  > H. P. Blavatsky wrote something with regard to these things...which I thing the elite members of this above named forum aught to have in mind...
  > 
  > H. P. Blavatsky wrote 
  > "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will EVER protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. NO MORE than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder the right of exercising autocracy or PAPAL powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them.
  > And now I have said over my own signature what I had to say and that which ought to have been said in so many plain words long ago. The public is all agog with the silliest stories about our doings, and the supposed and real dissensions in the Society. Let everyone know the truth at last, in which there is nothing to make any one ashamed, and which alone can put an end to a most painful and strained feeling. This truth is as simple as can be."
  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
  > (Uppercase by M. Sufilight.)
  > 
  > Since Theos-talk forum apperently is an open place for commercials of other Theosophical forums and other ideas...let me write this:
  > I am offering the ORIGINAL Constitution of the Theosophical Society as given in 1890, only with very few minor modifications on my forum - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk-heart/.
  > And with an open aimed motive for an administration being elected, democratically (not self-elected as nearly all theosophical forums are these days), - so to avoid Elitism at the forum. Later we might decide to create another non-Yahoo forum - perhaps technically speaking like one of those - open source-like forums like The Theosophical Community or Teosophy.ning. I have in fact the skills to create such a forum - single-handedly, (it is in fact not difficult to do).
  > 
  > We are not many these days, but a few 11 members. One of them a long time theosophist for more than 25 years. And I my self a theosophical Seeker also for more than 25 years.
  > I merely suggest that each reader decide what kind of ethics or not they join, and what that kind of ethics that will be.
  > 
  > 
  > _________________
  > 
  > The news...
  > 
  > THE BUTLER DID IT --- AT THE VATICAN (!)
  > (Vatican detains 'Pope's butler' as suspect in leaks probe)
  > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18209956
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > All the above are of course just my views. I present them from my heart seeking to promote altruism.
  > I will gladly change them if someone are able to prove them wrong or irrelevant.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > M. Sufilight
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: MKR 
  > To: theos-talk 
  > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 3:53 AM
  > Subject: theos-talk Situation in the American Section of TS(Adyar)
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Situation in the American Section of TS(Adyar)
  > 
  > The American Section of TS(Adyar) is the second largest in the world, the
  > largest being the Indian Section. There is continual shrinkage of
  > membership in the American Section (this is a hot potato no organizational
  > leaders dares to discuss) while Indian Section is an exception with
  > continual growth. Membership head count is the only objective measure of
  > how the organization is doing, even though some may contend quality vs
  > quantity issue, which no one can objectively prove.
  > 
  > When TS was launched, the transportation and communication was difficult
  > and hence the model of branches in cities was setup with of course
  > traveling lecturers and officials visiting the lodges and rejuvenating
  > their activities. Even with vast improvement in transportation and
  > communication, traveling lecturers and officials continue to be a key
  > ingredient to the expansion of theosophical lodges. This is what is going
  > on in India.
  > 
  > The picture in the American Section is totally different. For years, many
  > lodges have not seen any traveling lecturers and neither they have seen any
  > of the elected officials. On the other hand, we see activities are
  > concentrated at the National HQ, which most members could not afford to
  > participate in. We have also not seen any indication of any attempt to
  > address this issue. So we only can assume there is no change in direction
  > and we will continue to see shrinkage of membership and lodges in the USA.
  > 
  > On the other hand, Internet seems to be playing a key role in the future of
  > theosophy in the world and especially in the USA. There is no need to
  > mention the critical role Internet played during the last International
  > Election and its aftermath when Internet was instrumental in keeping
  > members up todate around the world with verifiable facts when
  > unsubstantiated allegations were spread to defeat the sitting President and
  > also tarnish International administration at Adyar.
  > 
  > To provide a forum for men and women interested in theosophical topics, in
  > the USA, one long time theosophist single handed setup, theosophy.net,
  > an open Internet forum with no financial or other help from any
  > organization. This forum now has over 1,000 members around the world and it
  > just shows what a determined and committed member can achieve.
  > 
  > From the American National HQ frequently we receive solicitation for funds.
  > Considering the above dismal situation with membership, each of us should
  > examine if the funds can be spent elsewhere for better results in helping
  > our fellow men and women. You be the judge.
  > 
  > MKR
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