Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00143)

I agree with William Delahunt

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
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> Well let's hope one of these participants asks why Krishnamurti, the then, according to Besant and Leadbeater, the new Maitreya, refused to entertain the idea. Â And theosophists cannot use the excuse the Devil made him do it!
> Cass
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> > From: Anand Gholap <AnandGholap@...>
> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 11:28 PM
> >Subject: Re: theos-talk Writings of Mahatma Annie Besant and Mahatma C.W. Leadbeater
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> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@> wrote:
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> >> Oh yes they did
> >> Break with the past
> >> Over the next few years, Krishnamurti's new vision and consciousness continued to develop. New concepts appeared in his talks, discussions, and correspondence, together with an evolving vocabulary that was progressively free of Theosophical terminology.[61]� His new direction reached a climax in 1929, when he rebuffed attempts by Leadbeater and Besant to continue with the Order of the Star.
> >> Krishnamurti dissolved the Order during the annual� Star Camp� at� Ommen, the� Netherlands, on 3 August 1929.[62]� He stated that he had made his decision after "careful consideration" during the previous two years, and that:
> >> I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path. ... This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this. The moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. I am not concerned whether you pay attention to what I say or not. I want to do a certain thing in the world and I am going to do it with unwavering concentration. I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free. I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies.[63]
> >> Following the dissolution prominent Theosophists turned against Krishnamurti, including Leadbeater who is said to have stated, "the Coming had gone wrong."[64][65]� Krishnamurti had denounced all organized belief, the notion of� gurus, and the whole teacher-follower relationship, vowing instead to work in setting people "absolutely, unconditionally free."[63]� There is no record of him explicitly denying he was the World Teacher;[66]� whenever he was asked to clarify his position, he either asserted that the matter was irrelevant,[67]� or gave answers that, as he stated, were "purposely vague."[68]
> >> In reflection of the ongoing changes in his outlook, he had started doing so before the dissolution of the Order of the Star.[69]� The subtlety of the new distinctions on the World Teacher issue was lost on many of his admirers, who were already bewildered or distraught because of the changes in Krishnamurtiâ��s outlook, vocabulary and pronouncementsâ�"among them Besant and Mary Lutyens' mother Emily, who had a very close relationship with him.[70][71]� He soon disassociated himself from the Theosophical Society and its teachings and practices,[72]� yet he remained on cordial terms with some of its members and ex-members throughout his life.[citation needed]
> >> Krishnamurti would often refer to the totality of his work as� the� teachings and not as� my� teachings.[73]� His concern was always about "the teachings"; the teacher had no importance, and all authority, especially psychological authority, was denounced:
> >> All authority of any kind, especially in the field of thought and understanding, is the most destructive, evil thing. Leaders destroy the followers and followers destroy the leaders. You have to be your own teacher and your own disciple. You have to question everything that man has accepted as valuable, as necessary.[74]
> >> Krishnamurti resigned from the various trusts and other organizations that were affiliated with the defunct Order of the Star