Theos-Talk Archives (May 2012 Message tt00075)

Cass, 

 Maitreya was a Hearer of the Buddhaof our age Prince Siddartha Shakyamuni Tathagatha. The Buddha spoke to Maitreya reminding him of his past merits and life times and told Maitreya that in the future he would become the Buddha of the end of the Kaliyug Age. Maitreya became a Bodhisattva and since his passing resides in the Tushita Heaven located in the Sambhogakaya Realm which due to it's instrinsic nature is beyond the realm of contact with those of this Plane, it is beyond the Physical and Nirmanykaya Realms. The off ice of Maitreya as the Kalki Avatar Buddha upon the consumation of the Kali Yug will preside the Pralaya hence he rides the Wh ite Horse of the Purusha. He is origin within the B uddhist and Hindu Religion Teachings and it is not a Christian teaching. The Sutra Link ÂI posted recently" T h e Mahaprajnaparamita Manjusriparavarta Sutra" a classic Buddhist/Tibetan Sutra of the Buddhist Paradigm contains a dialog between the Buddha and Maitreya as I indicated above. Most Theosophists do not have exposure to classical origin teaching of the Buddhist or Hindu or others important "Q" source teaching that later people in a form of abuse of a parent burgularize for thier own purp ose and use without giving due recognition and credits.  The "Avatar cycle" in it's classical form consists of 10 Avatar descents, the 1st and the last are the profound full aspect of the spiritual presencing that is not veiled or obscure . The 2nd through the 9th (8 Avatars are "Minor Avatars" that are sp read throuhg the Manvantaric cycle at appropiate interval, these are more like the Tulku use of the Consciousness i n a resident physical Âliving human person who become the traducere Illuminati through which the teaching is probagated. The Triyatrimsa or three Heavenly divisions of Buddhism - ÂNirm anakaya (of the Physical or non-physical), Sambhogakaya (the Realm of Bliss and Peace of the B odhisattva's (Maitreya resides there until the end of the K ali Yug) Âand others, and the Dharmakaya the Real m of the Absolute., This in some aspects par elell some veiled Christian teaching such as when Jesus the Christos tells the apostles "Upon my return, up on my Par oashia, upon the consummation of the ages, I will be seen coming upon the White Cloud" can be related to the completion of the 4 great Hindu Ages ending with the Kali Yug with the pralaya presided by both the figure of Maitreya and the Chrestos because they are the Purush it self at the time hence the White Horse for M aitreya (The Purush) and upon the White Cloud (The Purush) Âfor the Chrestos. The Purush is the Alone Begotte n Sonship of the Absolute. 



Âhere are a couple of online reference links: 



The Heaven of the 33 Gods of Buddhism 



>>>http://www.tientai.net/teachings/dharma/6realms/33gods.htm<<< 



The Realm of Heaven Map 



>>>http://www.tientai.net/teachings/dharma/6realms/heavenmap.htm<<< 



and corre lates from the Vedic School 



Vedic Gods and Goddesses 



>>>http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/vedicgods.asp<<< 



Mai treya the Future Buddha 



>>>http://books.google.com/books?id=Pz6okTs7wdAC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=Maitreya+Vyakarana&source=bl&ots=fzG3QWQmOL&sig=-FqFkgHTMboqhOb5gByrFpkRMrM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VnFRT9S7LajZiALN4PS0Bg&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Maitreya%20Vyakarana&f=false<<< 



Avatar -Wikipedia 



>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar<<< 



Kalki Definition 



>>>http://www.answers.com/topic/kalki-2<<< 



In Buddhism there are 10 Levels of consciousness called the Ten Stages of the Bodhisattva Consciousness. and there are 7 divisions of the Being, it totals 17 the Pythagorean number and a number that often is seen of Theosophy im portance. The teaching was anciently given in theÂSaptadasabhumi Sutra but this seems to have been "obscured" awaiting a terton at presence.Madame Blavatsky t aught the "Sapta" seven fold economy, the Mahayana teach the Dasa 10 fold consciousness that composesÂthe 10 Âarri vals of the Bodhisattva fullness of consciusness. 



Bhumi- ten stages - wikipedia 



>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C5%ABmi_(Buddhism)<<< 



The Great Treatise on the Stages Âof the Path to Enlightenment 



>>>http://books.google.com/books?id=yIbT5Hrr1NYC&pg=PA415&lpg=PA415&dq=sapta-dasa-bhumi+sutra&source=bl&ots=tOIz58FXEq&sig=qRE76SrWRxqUDUshByHpQNkSW4U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hRtwT--bLs_PiAKk5qDKBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=sapta-dasa-bhumi%20sutra&f=false<<< 



Ten Stages Sutra - Wikipedia 



>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Stages_Sutra<<< 



ÂL ike the Avatar Cycle, there are the 10 stages of consciousness, in the Greek there is the Nous 10 also 



Princess Mandarava ( Padmasambhava made a prophecy of the future incarnation of Mandarava) 



>>>http://www.thangka.ru/history/he_padmadsat_5.html<<< 



At any rate the Yoga Sutra and many teaching indicate that Ignorance is not a help to enlightenment and ignoring what already was the parent leaves one at a los to find right explanations, just my personal view. 





Best wishes to all 

John 







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From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@t8xTDAObbDPAGgg3vfLA7TyvJlONUmBzvcLGknAiFOSMK4cyMVpyQb5b-EyWaPqVED6Av9FIcrlv9JeWwGU.yahoo.invalid> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:10:19 PM 
Subject: Re: theos-talk Christ Thread Question 

 




My understanding, which is very limited, is that Maitreya is the 'boss' of all world teachers. ÂHe is unable to manifest himself 'in the flesh' because of his advanced spiritual vibrational rate. Â Therefore, when the time is karmically ripe, Âhe overshadows another Master of Wisdom, whose vibrational rate still has correspondence with our physical plane vibrational rate. ÂOne must be a master soul operating entirely from his own Higher Self. ÂThis 'master' or 'chosen one' then lays aside his own selfness in order to transmit the higher consciousness of this higher being, but only on a temporary basis. ÂThe master, more or less, I guess, channels the consciousness of Maitreya in short bursts, until the appropriate knowledge is given to humanity. ÂI imagine a permanent overshadowing would cause the receivers apparatus to blow a fuse. ÂTherefore, what Creme is saying about the Maitreya imo, is quite incorrect. ÂHowever, would also be interested in 
hearing others ideas on this subject. 
Cass 

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>Sent: Friday, 11 May 2012 10:41 AM 
>Subject: theos-talk Christ Thread Question 
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>Hi i been kind of vaguely following your thread on the Christ and so on.. 
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>Just out of personal interest.. How does one know if he/she actually has the Christ consciousness? 
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>Like say for example someone was overshadowed by Maitreya and that energy was within that said person but then left, then is that person still Christ conscious? 
>Like during their overshadowing they were able to experience life through Christ consciousness but then the ability to hold that experience dissipated over say a few weeks. 
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>Is that person still of Christ consciousness and if not then what of the knowledge and wisdom of that experience living on in the said person.. a knowing of something beyond accepted thought. 
>Like knowing in that moment that you are the all, everything is within you and everything outside of you is part of you.. That you have a higher purpose to reach out and create positive loving change with every breath, thought and action of each passing second.. 
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>Like i believe now that we are all capable of getting there.. some through meditation some through psychedelics and some just naturally gifted.. ultimately isn't that where we are all heading to anyways..its just a matter of time before the Christ consciousness becomes a mainstream buzz word.. perhaps... 
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>Still id like your input on the questions in my train of thought for further discussion.. 
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>Thanks, 
>A. 
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>From: Jeremy Condick < jpcondick2011@gL_0PliTay3fHqculyFCJjYwJbVCXGLPl-O76RQAkNzt8jzGEY8HbxJJ7hmFLkOax9W9bkLpnqgoB2Q5afg84Wo.yahoo.invalid > 
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>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012, 21:34 
>Subject: RE: theos-talk Re: "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
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>"It had also escaped him [A.P. Sinnett] for the moment, no doubt, that among the group of Initiates to which his [Sinnett's] own mystical correspondent [Koot Hoomi] is allied, are two [Initiates] of European race, and that one [Initiate] who is that Teacher's [Koot Hoomi's] Superior is also of that origin [European], being half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation,' as he himself wrote to Colonel Olcott in New York. " Lucifer, October, 1888, p. 173; reprinted in H.P.B.'s Collected Writings, Volume X, p. 153. 
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>JPC: These three adepts are suggested as being "SERAPIS BEY (Ellora Section), "POLYDORUS ISURENUS (Section of Solomon), "ROBERT MORE (Section of Zoroaster) representing three sections of the Luxor brotherhood. Serapis Bey was known as "the Egyptian" and was the chief or head of the Luxor brotherhood. He is said to be Greek by birth though having long been associated with the Egyptian lodge. This might be compared with the quotation I earlier submitted which I think contrasts the "semi European Greek brother" from the Master of KH the all powerful Chohan and Chief mentioned in my letter. This quotation is again submitted below. It should be noted in this passage that the Master of KH the chief Chohan "finally permitted me" KH to "extent a portion of my time to the progress of the Eclectic". Again note that the semi European Greek brother, Serapis, would not help in that at that time. Serapis may be the more advanced Chohan perhaps but not the Chief Chohan 
>"our Supreme Chief" and KH' direct Master, as explained. Serapis and the Christ or 'Supreme Chief' appear two seperate persons. The ray affinity between KH and the Christ is the second ray. 
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>"One other Master may here be briefly mentioned, the Master Serapis, frequently called the Egyptian. He is the Master upon the fourth ray, and the great art movements of the world, the evolution of music, and that of painting and drama, receive from him an energizing impulse. At present he is giving most of his time and attention to the work of the deva, or angel evolution, until their agency helps to make possible the great revelation in the world of music and painting which lies immediately ahead. More about him cannot be given out, nor can his dwelling place be revealed." IHS 60. AAB. 
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>H. P. Blavatsky was the immediate agent of the Masters from the inception of the Society until her death, and every other associate was subordinate in real authority. But she received help and instruction from other Adepts as well as from M. and K.H. The words "from India direct," which she uses in the memorandum just quoted, are significant as they evidently mean that the orders came from her personal Master, M. In her New York period she was largely under the protection of a Section of the Great Lodge which has its center in Egypt, and whose Chief was then privately spoken of as Serapis Bey. In several places Olcott makes interesting references to this occult group under the name of "The Brotherhood of Luxor," and K.H. also mentions them in the Mahatma Letters (p. 116), but less is said about them than about the Tibetan Brotherhood. H. P. Blavatsky and the Theosophical Movement by Charles J. Ryan Copyright  1975 by Theosophical University Press. All 
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>"SERAPIS BEY (Ellora Section) 
>"POLYDORUS ISURENUS (Section of Solomon) 
>"ROBERT MORE (Section of Zoroaster) 
>"(...) By Order of the Grand \ TUITIT BEY 
>"Observatory of Luxor, Tuesday Morning, Day of Mars." (HPB Speaks I, 8) 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/sisson1.htm#8. John King - Master Serapisâ Helper 
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>"And because you recognise this great principle of personal observation, and are not slow to put into practice what you have acquired in the way of useful information, is perhaps the reason why the hitherto implacable Chohan my Master has finally permitted me to devote to a certain extent a portion of my time to the progress of the Eclectic. But I am but one and you are many, and none of my Fellow Brothers with the exception of M. will help me in this work, not even our semi-European Greek Brother who but a few days back remarked that when "every one of the Eclectics on the Hill will have become a Zetetic then will he see what he can do for them." And as you are aware there is very little hope for this." Yours sincerely, K.H. Letter 11. 1881. 
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>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>> From: danielhcaldwell@1QWodpJ2c8WAaQZbxt4klYYTR2CSP5PwFBXRjn4YIQrnw7eYOH0f08QGFOhI-7a45s_o6lAOBG3PEftKYehfO_S-DqA.yahoo.invalid 
>> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:31:55 +0000 
>> Subject: theos-talk Re: "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
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>> One wonders where this list of rays and corresponding Masters originated from. What year? Whar source? 
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>> I would suggest that the primary sources that I gave and that can be found at 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/57915 should be carefully 
>> read and studied. As far as I can see, Serapis is the teacher of Koot Hoomi based on the most primary sources. 
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>> Daniel 
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>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/57915 
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>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@...> wrote: 
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>> > The Chohan Serapis (or Maha Sahib): Adept of Egyptian Section. 
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>> > Serapis is of Egyptian origin and not therfore European. He is the Master on the Fourth ray. 
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>> > KH and his Master the Christ, are both on the Second ray line. 
>> > JPC. 
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>> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>> > > From: danielhcaldwell@... 
>> > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:22:58 +0000 
>> > > Subject: theos-talk "... the Christ is the direct Master of mahatma KH...." 
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>> > > Who is the direct Master of KH? Who is Koot Hoomi's Master? 
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>> > > Madame Blavatsky wrote a very interesting and suggestive remark in Lucifer: 
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>> > > "It had also escaped him [A.P. Sinnett] for the moment, no doubt, that among the group of Initiates to which his [Sinnett's] own mystical correspondent [Koot Hoomi] is allied, are two [Initiates] of European race, and that one [Initiate] who is that Teacher's [Koot Hoomi's] Superior is also of that origin [European], being half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation,' as he himself wrote to Colonel Olcott in New York. " Lucifer, October, 1888, p. 173; reprinted in H.P.B.'s Collected Writings, Volume X, p. 153. 
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>> > > This is a quite fascinating statement by HPB that Koot Hoomi's Superior was of European origin and was "half a Slavonian in his 'present incarnation.' " HPB also tells us that this latter information was conveyed to Colonel Olcott in New York in a letter written by the Adept Superior. 
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>> > > A.P. Sinnett had a remarkable encounter with the Master K.H. Sinnett wrote in a brief note of the experience: 
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>> > > "I saw K.H. in astral form on the night of 19th of October, 1880, --- waking up for a moment but immediately afterwards being rendered unconscious again (in the body) and conscious out of the body in the adjacent dressing-room where I saw another of the Brothers afterwards identified with one called 'Serapis' by Olcott, --- 'the youngest of the chohans.' " The Mahatma Letters, Letter No. 3a in the first three editions. 
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>> > > Some four years later, while William Judge was in London and on a visit to Mr. Sinnett's home, the following interesting conversation ensued. Mr. Judge wrote: 
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>> > > "I asked him [A.P. Sinnett] about his sight of K.H. and he related thus: 'He was lying in his bed in India one night [see above], when suddenly awakening, he found K.H. standing by his bed. He rose half up, when K.H. put his hand on his head, causing him to fall at once back on the pillow. He then, he says, found himself out of the body, and in the next room, talking to another adept whom he describes as an English or European, with light hair, fair, and of great beauty. This is the one [adept] Olcott described to me in 1876 and called by name -------. Please erase that when read. . . . S[innett] says he [the European adept] is very high. . . ." Letters That Have Helped Me, Theosophy Company edition, p. 196. 
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>> > > Notice that this adept called Serapis is described as "English or European, with light hair, fair, and of great beauty." 
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>> > > In 1883, Colonel Olcott was healing people with his mesmeric "power". He relates the following experience: 
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>> > > "On the day in question, while under treatment for his eyes, upon which business my thoughts were closely concentrated, [Badrinath Babu, the patient] . . . suddenly began describing a shining man whom he saw looking benevolently on him. His clairvoyant sight, had, it seemed, become partially developed, and what he saw was through closed eyelids. From the minute description he then proceeded to give me, I could not fail to recognise the portrait of one of the most revered of our Masters. . . .[Badrinath] described to me an individual with blue eyes, light flowing hair, light beard, and European features and complexion. . . . The description...fitted accurately a real personage, the Teacher of our Teachers [KH and M.], a Paramaguru, as one such is called in India, and who had given me a small colored sketch of himself in New York, before we left for Bombay. . . ." Old Diary Leaves, Volume III, 430-1. 
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>> > > It is on record that the Master Serapis gave Colonel Olcott "a small colored sketch of himself in New York." See Letters from the Masters of Wisdom, Series II. 
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>> > > Concerning Colonel Olcott's mesmeric healing, Master Koot Hoomi wrote to A.P. Sinnett: 
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>> > > "This [healing] is all done thro' the power of a lock of hair sent by our beloved younger Chohan to H. S. O." 
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>> > > This is KH's comment on a newspaper article titled "Cures Effected by Colonel Olcott in Calcutta by Mesmeric Passes" that was published in the Calcutta Indian Mirror. See The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett, Appendix III. 
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>> > > Confirmation that the Superior or Master of both Masters Koot Hoomi and Morya was Serapis is again found in this statement by Henry Olcott: 
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>> > > "One of the greatest of them, the Master of the two Masters [KH and M] about whom the public has heard. . . . , wrote me on June 22, 1875: 
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>> > > 'The time is come to let you know who I am. I am not a disembodied spirit, Brother, I am a living man; gifted with such powers by our Lodge as are in store for yourself some day. I cannot be with you otherwise than in spirit, for thousands of miles separate us at present. . . . .' " Old Diary Leaves, Volume I, p. 237. 
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>> > > From the above material, it would appear that Serapis, one of the Chiefs or Chohans of the Occult Brotherhood, was the Superior or Teacher of both Master K.H. and Master M. 
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