Theos-Talk Archives (March 2012 Message tt00008)

And where are the Bye-Laws from 1875 to be found on that page?


M. Sufilight



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
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  Subject: Re: theos-talk The original TS Bye-Laws - are gone bye bye?


    
  Please see the following:

  <http://teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_2007_E.htm>

  On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:47 AM, M. Sufilight
  <global-theosophy@guekP1zzZw12AVU7w4genxY0_5va_z17vGQSlzbc8cq9OZIIAdvVpBKbX893YwlmoXPmCgOEOuucaIWBJaVvyj-hCaDKDQ.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

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  >
  >
  > Dear MKR
  >
  > I did not find them there....Did I overlook them?
  >
  > In this link we find a part of the Bye-Laws and the Preamble to the
  > Bye-Laws from 1875.
  > But all the Bye-Laws from 1875...are they not online ???
  > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm
  >
  > __________________________
  > I did however find the following...
  >
  > "When prophets die: the postcharismatic fate of new religious movements"
  > By Timothy Miller - page 219:
  > "15. Earlier Rules drawn up in 1879, just after the founders had come to
  > India, stated that the president was under the autority of the Masters who
  > constituted the "First Section" of the Society. The Rules were revised in
  > 1885 to drop the reference to the Masters. See "The Theosophical Society,
  > or Universal Brotherhood, Principle, Rules, and Bye-Laws, as revised in
  > General Counsil, at the meeting held at the Palace of H. H. maharajah of
  > Vizianagram, Benares, 17th December, 1879)" in the Theosophist, 1 (April
  > 1880): 179-180; Ransom, A Short History, 123, 229."
  > http://books.google.com
  >
  > _______________________________________
  > _______________________________________
  >
  > The THEOSOPHIST April, 1880, p. 179-180:
  > THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, OR UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD.
  > "[Formed at New York, U. S. of America, October 30th, 1875.]
  > Principles, Rules, and Bye-Laws, as revised in General Council, at the
  > meeting held at the Palace of H. H. the Maharaja of Vizianagram, Benares,
  > 17th, December, 1879."
  > .......
  > [For instance...: ]
  > "VII. The President-Founder has authority to designate any Fellow of
  > capacity and good repute to perform, pro tempore, the duties of any office
  > vacated by death or resignation, or whose incumbent may be obliged to
  > absent himself for a time. He is also empowered and required to define the
  > duties of all officers, and assign specific responsibilities to Members of
  > the General Council, not in conflict with the general plans of the Society.
  > VIII. These plans are declared to be as follows: â
  >
  > (a)â To keep alive in man his spiritual intuitions. (b)â To oppose and
  > counteract â after due investigation and proof of its irrational nature â
  > bigotry in every form, whether as an intolerant religious sectarianism or
  > belief in miracles or anything supernatural.
  > (c)â To promote a feeling of brotherhood among nations; and assist in the
  > international exchange of useful arts and products, by advice, information,
  > and co-operation with all worthy individuals and associations; provided,
  > however, that no benefit or percentage shall be taken by the Society for
  > its corporate services.
  > (d)â To seek to obtain knowledge of all the laws of Nature, and aid in
  > diffusing it; and especially to encourage the study of those laws least
  > understood by modern people, and so termed the Occult Sciences. Popular
  > superstition and folk-lore, however fantastical, when sifted, may lead to
  > the discovery of long-lost but important secrets of Nature. The Society,
  > therefore, aims to pursue this line of inquiry in the hope to widen the
  > field of scientific and philosophical observation.
  > (e)â To gather for the Society's library and put into written forms
  > correct information upon the various ancient philosophies, traditions, and
  > legends, and, as the Council shall decide it permissible, disseminate the
  > same in such practicable ways as the translation and publication of
  > original works of value, and extracts from and commentaries upon the same,
  > or the oral instructions of persons learned in their respective
  > departments. (f)â To promote in every practicable way, in countries where
  > needed, the spread of non-sectarian education. (g)â Finally, and chiefly,
  > to encourage and assist individual Fellows in self-improvement,
  > intellectual, moral, and spiritual. But no Fellow shall put to his selfish
  > use any knowledge communicated to him by any member of the First Section;
  > violation of this rule being punished by expulsion. And before any such
  > knowledge can be imparted, the person shall bind himself by a solemn oath
  > not to use, it to selfish purposes, nor to reveal it, except with the
  > permission of the teacher."
  > .......
  > "XI. The Society consists of three sections. The highest or First Section
  > is composed exclusively of proficients or initiates in Esoteric Science and
  > Philosophy, who take a deep interest in the Society's affairs and instruct
  > the President-Founder how best to regulate them, but whom none but such as
  > they voluntarily communicate with have the right to know.
  >
  > The Second Section embraces such Theosophists as have proved by their
  > fidelity, zeal, and courage, and their devotion to the Society, that they
  > have become able to regard all men as equally their brothers, irrespective
  > of caste, colour, race, or creed; and who are ready to defend the life or
  > honour of a brother Theosophist even at the risk of their own lives.
  >
  > The administration of the superior Sections need not be dealt with at
  > present in a code of rules laid before the public. No responsibilities,
  > connected with these superior grades, are incurred by persons who merely
  > desire ordinary membership of the third class.
  >
  > The Third is the Section of Probationers. All new Fellows are on
  > probation, until their purpose to remain in the Society has become fixed,
  > their usefulness shown, and their ability to conquer evil habits and
  > unwarranted prejudices demonstrated.
  >
  > Advancement from Section to Section depends upon merit only. Until a
  > Fellow reaches the first degree of the Second Section, his Fellowship gives
  > him but the following rights â (1) to attend the Society's meetings, (2)
  > access only to printed matter, such as books and pamphlets of the Society's
  > Library, (3) protection and support by the President and Council in case of
  > need and according to personal merit, (4) instruction and enlightenment,
  > upon what he reads and studies, by Fellows of the Second Section; and this
  > whether he remains at home or goes abroad and wherever he finds a Branch of
  > the Theosophical Society: every Fellow being obliged to help the others as
  > much as the circumstances, in which he is placed, will allow."
  > .......
  > "The Society repudiates all interference on its behalf with the
  > Governmental relations of any nation or community, confining its attention
  > exclusively to the matters set forth in the present document, and hoping
  > thus to enjoy the confidence and aid of all good men."
  > .......
  > "Revised and ratified by the Society, at Bombay, February the 26th, and
  > 28th, 1880.
  > ATTEST â KHARSEDJI N. SEERVAI,
  > Joint Recording Secretary."
  > .....
  > [Followed by a note...:]
  > "THE ADDRESS BY".......
  > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/theosoph/theos7a.htm
  >
  > http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/theosophist/theosophist_v1_n7_april_1880.pdf(Scanned copy)
  >
  > THE SO-CALLED THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AT GHAZIPORE
  > (The non-existent Society at Ghazipore.......Could be compared to present
  > day attempts of various "copy"-versions...)
  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v4/y1882_092.htm
  >
  > "The Seven Principles of the Movement" by Carlos Cardoso Aveline
  > (With some views on the Bye-laws given in 1879-1880...)
  > http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=110#.T1Y1PFErjEw
  >
  > _________________________
  >
  > The we find an interesting article here on the Theosophical Society and
  > the organic development of its structure ......
  > Something like this is not being talked about the modern day theosophical
  > magazines...We can only wonder why....?
  >
  > The Theosophist October 1888 to April 1889
  > By H. P. Blavatsky - Page 301-307 --- especially page 304 on how the three
  > or more main Obejcts first came to light.
  > "(a) To keep alive in man his belief that he has a soul, and the universe
  > a Gud.
  > (b) To oppose and counteract bigotry in every form, whether as an
  > intolerant religious sectarianisme, or belief in miracles, or anything
  > supernatural."
  > .......
  > "(f) To promote in every practicable wat, in countries where needed, the
  > spread of non-sectarian western education."
  > http://books.google.com
  >
  > That is clearly to say...: Non-sectarian education.
  > And I add: And therefore also in Adyar today, I hope...
  >
  > ________________
  >
  > So one more time we have...
  >
  > H. P. Blavatsky wrote very interestingly about the Theosophical Society:
  > "The chief aim of the Founder of the Eclectic Theosophical School was one
  > of the three objects of its modern successor, the Theosophical Society,
  > namely, to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system
  > of ethics, based on eternal verities." (p. 3-4, 2nd ed., 1890)
  > http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm
  > (That is - reconcile - ALL SECTS - and therefore TODAY also ALL
  > THEOSOPHICAL GROUPS, ORGANISATIONS AND OFFSHOOTS THEREOF. - Do you not
  > agree my dear readers??? --- And to all readers: And what have you my dear
  > altruistic friends done on this lately - while promotiong altruism? --- - I
  > can hear the answer: Silence...silence and almost a contempt for the truth
  > and compassion in these very logical words and questions.)
  >
  > So I ask in the name of ALTRUISM and from all of my Heart:
  > So why do we have the various theosophical groups and organisations like
  > the ULT's, Pasadena TS, Adyar TS, and all the rest?
  > What are they good for if they cannot join hands in the name of
  > altruism??? Why not at least be affilliated to each other if you claim the
  > same original program and Bye-Laws - ie. centrally speaking and in essence?
  >
  > M. Sufilight
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: MKR
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:16 PM
  > Subject: Re: theos-talk The original TS Bye-Laws - are gone bye bye?
  >
  > I think they are at teozofija.info in the members section. Have you looked
  > at the site?
  >
  > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 11:49 AM, M. Sufilight
  > <global-theosophy@guekP1zzZw12AVU7w4genxY0_5va_z17vGQSlzbc8cq9OZIIAdvVpBKbX893YwlmoXPmCgOEOuucaIWBJaVvyj-hCaDKDQ.yahoo.invalid>wrote:
  >
  > > Dear friends
  > >
  > > Sometimes I wonder...
  > >
  > > Preamble of the T.S.
  > > Dated October 30, 1875; reprinted in The Theosophical Forum, September
  > > 1947, pp. 515-18
  > > http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm#Preamble
  > >
  > > But it is also known that there were som so/called Bye-Laws. Where are
  > > those Bye-Laws today???
  > > I have never seen them online.
  > >
  > >
  > > H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
  > > [A copy of the Preamble and By-Laws of The Theosophical Society is pasted
  > > in H.P.B.âs Scrapbook, Vol. I, pp. 77-79. On top of the first column,
  > above
  > > the title, H.P.B. wrote in blue pencil :]
  > > The Child is
  > > born!
  > > Hosannah!
  > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v1/y1875_031.htm
  > >
  > > Can we have these Bye-Laws online in PDF and HTML?
  > >
  > > Lack of emphasis on how the Theosophical Society originally operated,
  > when
  > > it was founded backed by the Masters, (if we should believe the words by
  > > Blavatsky) --- can not be healthy. Well, that seems logical.
  > > (See The Original Programe here ---
  > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v7/yxxxx_019.htm )
  > >
  > >
  > > Anyone?
  > >
  > > Can we have these Bye-Laws online in PDF and HTML?
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > M. Sufilight
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