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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:18:26 +0100
Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
A few views...
I tend to agree with you on this Jeremy.
Come on ligthen up a little Jake .... seek to at least formulate...the
relevancy of your views...
M. Sufilight
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From: "Jeremy Condick" <jpcondick2011@uzc3d2ZaCtzhaVXqhZjP1C4jCG9lt1dOKMeJ04kIcSL1koQbps1s_wTSQiF2w-GxfqFS2oV1Vb4IfiWShiL82xKA.yahoo.invalid>
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Subject: RE: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
Thats quite a contempt you have there, Jake. Baseless personal bias and
denial of course and certainly not considerate of occultism. JPC.
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> From: hozro@9DlPZWNVKDd6s60qGekcujXw04ZQ34am5Ds04bc6yen0d4mInSVWHoYcCRGVj9ZozB4OOnHflgMAlpAf_A.yahoo.invalid
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:50:58 +0000
> Subject: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
>
>
> All this is worth about as much as Alice Bailey got for a tip in her
> waitressing job. It would make a good fairy-tale though, she should
> writes
> books on it.
> - jake j.
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "The Master R. or Rakoczi, is the Hungarian Master, living at this
> > time
> > in Hungary, and is the Regent of Europe and America, under the "great
> > Brotherhood." He works through various organizations and movements
> > including Masonry. He is one of the Masters who take pupils." Treatise
> > on Cosmic Fire. 457. AAB.
> >
> > "The Count de Saint-Germain left in the hands of this Mason certain
> > documents relating to the history of masonry, and containing the key
> > to
> > more than one misunderstood mystery. He did so on the condition that
> > these documents would become the secret heritage of all those
> > descendants of the Kabbalists who became Masons." BCW XI 184.
> >
> > "The Count de Saint-Germain, is supposed to have been an Hungarian by
> > birth." BCW III 123.
> >
> > "From time to time this strange being appeared in various European
> > capitals, under various namesÂas Marquis de Montferrat; Count
> > Bellamare,
> > at Venice; Chevalier Schoening, at Pisa; Chevalier Weldon, at Milan;
> > Count Saltikoff, at Genoa; Count Tzarogy, at Schwabach; and, finally,
> > as
> > Count de Saint-Germain." COUNT DE SAINT-GERMAIN 127. BCW III.
> >
> > "He then went under the name of Count Tzarogy, under which that his
> > real
> > name was Prince Rakoczy, prior to the confession that he was the last
> > of
> > that royal and unhappy line ...
> > books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0787300950...
> >
> > books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0766101010...Isabel Cooper-Oakley -
> > 1997 -
> > Biography & Autobiography - 256 pages
> > The Graf Tzarogy had no servant of his own ; he dined as simply as
> > possible in his ... It was impossible to persuade the Graf Tzarogy to
> > dine at the Prince's table, ...
> >
> > "I certainly would not publish fragmentary details about the
> > remarkable
> > personality of Comte Saint-Germain; better to translate completely the
> > book by Cooper-Oakley. I consider this work the best among those I
> > have
> > read about Saint Germain." LETTERS OF HELENA ROERICH VOL II P 266 40
> > 17
> > December 1936. Cooper-Oakley book c1912. See also BCW III Gloss.
> >
> > "The Master who concerns himself especially with the future
> > development
> > of racial affairs in Europe, and with the mental outgrowth in America
> > and Australia, is the Master Rakoczi. He is a Hungarian, and has a
> > home
> > in the Carpathian mountains, and was at one time a well-known figure
> > at
> > the Hungarian Court. Reference to him can be found in old historical
> > books, and he was particularly before the public eye when he was the
> > Comte de St. Germain, and earlier still when he was both Roger Bacon
> > and
> > later, Francis Bacon. It is interesting to note that as the Master R.
> > takes hold, on the inner planes, of affairs in Europe, his name as
> > Francis Bacon is coming before the public eye in the Bacon-Shakespeare
> > controversy. He is rather a small, spare man, with pointed black
> > beard,
> > and smooth black hair, and does not take as many pupils as do the
> > Masters previously mentioned. He is at present handling the majority
> > of
> > the third ray pupils in the occident in conjunction with the Master
> > Hilarion. The Master R. is upon the seventh Ray, that of Ceremonial
> > Magic or Order, and he works largely through esoteric ritual and
> > ceremonial, being vitally interested in the effects, hitherto
> > unrecognized, of the ceremonial of the Freemasons, of the various
> > fraternities and of the Churches everywhere. He is called in the
> > Lodge,
> > usually, "the Count," and in America and Europe acts Practically as
> > the
> > general manager for the carrying out of the plans of the executive
> > council of the Lodge. Certain of the Masters form around the three
> > great
> > Lords an inner group, and meet in council with great frequency."
> > Initiation Human and Solar. 59. c1920.
> >
> > "In a letter written by Count von Alvensleben to Emperor Frederick II,
> > whose ambassador he was at Dresden, and dated June 25, 1777, the
> > writer
> > says that Count de Saint-Germain told him that he was known as Prince
> > R×k×czy.... Any connection with the House of R×k×czy on the part of
> > Count de Saint-Germain cannot be established by any accessible
> > historical data or available documentary evidence, even though this
> > idea
> > may appeal to the imagination of certain students and serve as a
> > suitable background for their speculations. We do not deny the
> > possibility of such a connection, which may or may not have existed,
> > subject to future disclosures. We simply warn the careful student not
> > to
> > accept on mere hearsay, alleged facts which, in reality, cannot be at
> > present either proved or disproved by any tangible evidence."
> > Collected
> > Writings VOLUME III. GENERAL BIBLIOGRAPHY.
> >
> > "There exists the grave of Comte Saint-Germain, but, in fact, a
> > substitute body is buried there." Letters Helena Roerich. II 219.
> >
> > "In some cases, a substitute would be buried, as it was, for instance,
> > at the departure of Master R." Letters Helena Roerich. II 372.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: hozro@...
> > > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:16:15 +0000
> > > Subject: theos-talk Re:off topic-- Lama Dorgiev
> >
> >
> > > "Master Rakocziwho" - this is Bailey Crapola. Some Carrithers
> > > student
> > > you are, he would turn over in his grave (or funery urn.)
> > > - jake j.
> >
> >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One of course recalls 'let America be free' as peeled forth by
> > > > Count
> > > > St Germain shortly to become Master Rakoczi. Also of the
> > > > magnificent
> > > > courage of HPB shooting the Papists, as a volunteer at the battle
> > > > of
> > > > Mentana! Moreover, of Lord Ripon and his Councillors, behind the
> > > > veil, that is. JPC.
> >
> >
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