Re: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
Jan 30, 2012 02:18 PM
by M. Sufilight
A few views...
I tend to agree with you on this Jeremy.
Come on ligthen up a little Jake .... seek to at least formulate...the
relevancy of your views...
M. Sufilight
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From: "Jeremy Condick" <jpcondick2011@kuEenBaMWwqWmTP82ApZCzr_Rykt2xM85TRnXwtrDoIgW508n8RSh7TPhPskS9s3whHo6zEp-rHnf1ubyu0.yahoo.invalid>
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Subject: RE: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
Thats quite a contempt you have there, Jake. Baseless personal bias and
denial of course and certainly not considerate of occultism. JPC.
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From: hozro@mg0isPzbiXzgLt3JaF4CDis7Px4UDS4Bwb7DzKpku7U3BdWyr50WNNIB2K8-L3mRMkm0Xq2KB_2gHw.yahoo.invalid
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:50:58 +0000
Subject: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
All this is worth about as much as Alice Bailey got for a tip in her
waitressing job. It would make a good fairy-tale though, she should writes
books on it.
- jake j.
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@...>
wrote:
>
>
> "The Master R. or Rakoczi, is the Hungarian Master, living at this time
> in Hungary, and is the Regent of Europe and America, under the "great
> Brotherhood." He works through various organizations and movements
> including Masonry. He is one of the Masters who take pupils." Treatise
> on Cosmic Fire. 457. AAB.
>
> "The Count de Saint-Germain left in the hands of this Mason certain
> documents relating to the history of masonry, and containing the key to
> more than one misunderstood mystery. He did so on the condition that
> these documents would become the secret heritage of all those
> descendants of the Kabbalists who became Masons." BCW XI 184.
>
> "The Count de Saint-Germain, is supposed to have been an Hungarian by
> birth." BCW III 123.
>
> "From time to time this strange being appeared in various European
> capitals, under various namesÂas Marquis de Montferrat; Count Bellamare,
> at Venice; Chevalier Schoening, at Pisa; Chevalier Weldon, at Milan;
> Count Saltikoff, at Genoa; Count Tzarogy, at Schwabach; and, finally, as
> Count de Saint-Germain." COUNT DE SAINT-GERMAIN 127. BCW III.
>
> "He then went under the name of Count Tzarogy, under which that his real
> name was Prince Rakoczy, prior to the confession that he was the last of
> that royal and unhappy line ...
> books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0787300950...
>
> books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0766101010...Isabel Cooper-Oakley - 1997 -
> Biography & Autobiography - 256 pages
> The Graf Tzarogy had no servant of his own ; he dined as simply as
> possible in his ... It was impossible to persuade the Graf Tzarogy to
> dine at the Prince's table, ...
>
> "I certainly would not publish fragmentary details about the remarkable
> personality of Comte Saint-Germain; better to translate completely the
> book by Cooper-Oakley. I consider this work the best among those I have
> read about Saint Germain." LETTERS OF HELENA ROERICH VOL II P 266 40 17
> December 1936. Cooper-Oakley book c1912. See also BCW III Gloss.
>
> "The Master who concerns himself especially with the future development
> of racial affairs in Europe, and with the mental outgrowth in America
> and Australia, is the Master Rakoczi. He is a Hungarian, and has a home
> in the Carpathian mountains, and was at one time a well-known figure at
> the Hungarian Court. Reference to him can be found in old historical
> books, and he was particularly before the public eye when he was the
> Comte de St. Germain, and earlier still when he was both Roger Bacon and
> later, Francis Bacon. It is interesting to note that as the Master R.
> takes hold, on the inner planes, of affairs in Europe, his name as
> Francis Bacon is coming before the public eye in the Bacon-Shakespeare
> controversy. He is rather a small, spare man, with pointed black beard,
> and smooth black hair, and does not take as many pupils as do the
> Masters previously mentioned. He is at present handling the majority of
> the third ray pupils in the occident in conjunction with the Master
> Hilarion. The Master R. is upon the seventh Ray, that of Ceremonial
> Magic or Order, and he works largely through esoteric ritual and
> ceremonial, being vitally interested in the effects, hitherto
> unrecognized, of the ceremonial of the Freemasons, of the various
> fraternities and of the Churches everywhere. He is called in the Lodge,
> usually, "the Count," and in America and Europe acts Practically as the
> general manager for the carrying out of the plans of the executive
> council of the Lodge. Certain of the Masters form around the three great
> Lords an inner group, and meet in council with great frequency."
> Initiation Human and Solar. 59. c1920.
>
> "In a letter written by Count von Alvensleben to Emperor Frederick II,
> whose ambassador he was at Dresden, and dated June 25, 1777, the writer
> says that Count de Saint-Germain told him that he was known as Prince
> R×k×czy.... Any connection with the House of R×k×czy on the part of
> Count de Saint-Germain cannot be established by any accessible
> historical data or available documentary evidence, even though this idea
> may appeal to the imagination of certain students and serve as a
> suitable background for their speculations. We do not deny the
> possibility of such a connection, which may or may not have existed,
> subject to future disclosures. We simply warn the careful student not to
> accept on mere hearsay, alleged facts which, in reality, cannot be at
> present either proved or disproved by any tangible evidence." Collected
> Writings VOLUME III. GENERAL BIBLIOGRAPHY.
>
> "There exists the grave of Comte Saint-Germain, but, in fact, a
> substitute body is buried there." Letters Helena Roerich. II 219.
>
> "In some cases, a substitute would be buried, as it was, for instance,
> at the departure of Master R." Letters Helena Roerich. II 372.
>
>
>
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > From: hozro@...
> > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:16:15 +0000
> > Subject: theos-talk Re:off topic-- Lama Dorgiev
>
>
> > "Master Rakocziwho" - this is Bailey Crapola. Some Carrithers student
> > you are, he would turn over in his grave (or funery urn.)
> > - jake j.
>
>
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > One of course recalls 'let America be free' as peeled forth by Count
> > > St Germain shortly to become Master Rakoczi. Also of the magnificent
> > > courage of HPB shooting the Papists, as a volunteer at the battle of
> > > Mentana! Moreover, of Lord Ripon and his Councillors, behind the
> > > veil, that is. JPC.
>
>
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