Theos-Talk Archives (October 2011 Message tt00180)

So true Duane
Cass



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>From: Duane Carpenter <monad_monad_monad@Uu5F0SstxnlrnYWc1LvQ1AwpHDqy7qTheh0NJN6ox1DeNzIlLjBdyQW5KaVNl04X2aQSGEDZaijrVtBn1Ud1CziEpFw.yahoo.invalid>
>To: "theos-talk@yahoogroups.com" <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2011 8:03 PM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>Good point Cass
>ÂThe old spiritual approach in the past is my God is better than your God, my spiritual teachings broader and more profound than yours.
>The new Theosophy will emphasize what is in common and good about all the different theosophical approaches. Is this not what HPB said in the Secret Doctrine?
>"Unequivocally that the teachings, however fragmentary and incomplete, contained in these volumes, belong neither to the Hindu, the Zoroastrian, the Chaldean, nor the Egyptian religion, neither to Buddhism, Islam, Judaism nor Christianity exclusively. The Secret Doctrine is the essence of all these. Sprung from it in their origins, the various religious schemes are now made to merge back into their original element, out of which every mystery and dogma has grown, developed, and become materialized. (HPD Secret Doctrine)
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>DK said via AAB "I have given you this teaching in terms of the Christian presentation as it may be simpler for you to grasp, but there are many other formulations and approaches to these truths and the newer they are the more difficult necessarily are they to present. Only those who are on the immediate verge of initiation will understand; the others will prefer to interpret these truths to themselves in the easier and well-known formulas of the preparatory stage of the at-one-ing of soul and personality." Quoted from DK (DNA2:260) 
>Here is your quote Sufilight. This is your opportunity to see the common base of the works of HPB and DK via AAB or simply seize on this quote to justify your erroneous ideas that AAB is just a perversion of Theosophy?
>It is not fair to the greater group to be bogging down the theos-site with endless claims and counter-claims.
>The world is historically splitting apart because of the same divisions, and lack of respect of one cultural and religious group from another.
>ÂI have nothing more to say. 
>DC
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>From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@tTcYJsN5WY33tQ3Tk8O_Of6omZXRBinjm8tfNuMMPxrWDFpgMjMPOOwOAzzspIFvz-D4Wqo7FvfeRyqXN2sv.yahoo.invalid>
>To: "theos-talk@yahoogroups.com" <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:34 PM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>All this, twoing and frowing between various paths must leave a noviate thinking that theosophy is as inconsistent as religion is.
>Morten has been encouraging the disparity for years.
>Cass
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>>From: Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@x2qNf75PA7h65ks6sYSvygzlBYfQ2vTOTIRjab_jXuYuLusTYNg4J9WuKTj0mPh8QXMQIo23-OzLAxzZt9lX6N0.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2011 7:20 AM
>>Subject: RE: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>Thanks, Cass.
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>>Well the letter addressed a certain point and made it very clearly. I agree on your point of stepping stones and there are various occult schools that offer a study and meditation curriculum. I have stressed on occasion the path of 'Brotherhood' have I not? JPC.
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>>> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: silva_cass@tTcYJsN5WY33tQ3Tk8O_Of6omZXRBinjm8tfNuMMPxrWDFpgMjMPOOwOAzzspIFvz-D4Wqo7FvfeRyqXN2sv.yahoo.invalid
>>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:47:46 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>> What difference does it matter which path one takes as they are only stepping stones to discovering the truth for ourselves.
>>> Cass
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>>> >From: Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@x2qNf75PA7h65ks6sYSvygzlBYfQ2vTOTIRjab_jXuYuLusTYNg4J9WuKTj0mPh8QXMQIo23-OzLAxzZt9lX6N0.yahoo.invalid>
>>> >To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>> >Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:33 AM
>>> >Subject: RE: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>> >"If an organisation are having a leader or a group of leaders (often with its own leader as well) - who forwards a doctrine or teachings given by one single author or just a uniform doctrine - ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS - of its organisation - then we are in truth talking about a sectarian organisation." 
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>>> >JPC: The Lucis Trust offers study of a number of books. Namely, The Alice Bailey books, The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled and other theosophical material, and the books of Helena Roerich' Agni Yoga. There is an extensive lending library of miscellaneous old and hard to find books by numerous authors, and also a continuous study of other authors works more contempary relating to science, philosophy and other subjects. The scope is very extensive indeed and does not adhere to one single author. 
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>>> >It is non Political insofar as it does not promote one party over another or take part in contempary party politics. It is working for right human relations and the spreading of goodwill and cooperates with those who also work for the same in so far as they are able, no matter what party political persuasion they may or may not personally have. Students are not accepted according to political leanings and personal politics are not entered into. 
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>>> >The UN is seen as the best chance humanity has of discussing or resolving international problems. Whether it works or has corruption has no bearing on the overall objective of seeking world harmony. This is a ideal to work towards and may as yet be imperfect as so much in life is today or ever has been. Right human relations are worked towards and this is the philosophy of the teachings. 
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>>> >> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>> >> From: global-theosophy@aQmKU0HT25GRaMPgif9wd2N3UoZIdIRljM13pklP4EaTO24g1FEw4s3Yr6wgqscrM1VQ3D7eyVTn8vWVk8yQJqk26jrk6w.yahoo.invalid
>>> >> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:19:22 +0200
>>> >> Subject: theos-talk Subtle Psychological Keys - Sectarianism or Politics in Lucist Trust and TS?
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>>> >> Dear friends
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>>> >> My views are:
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>>> >> Sorry about this lengthy relpy. But It seems from where I stand important to cover the subject as clearly as possible without writing a whole book about it.
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>>> >> Now as a Seeker after Truth and Wisdom and seeking to promote altruism, I often seek comparative studying so to avoid a narrowminded or sectarian out-look upon life.
>>> >> And I am also in the below seeking to show some of the problems and issues so to speak which our present time year 2011 are facing compared with the past with regard to the non-sectarian Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891, and before it changed and became more or less sectarian after the year 1910. My study will focus on whether the Theosophical Society as it was given in 1875-1891 was political or sectarian - and - on whether the very widespread esoteric mother-organisation Lucis Trust behind the Alice A. Bailey followers are sectarian or non-sectarian, as well as political or non-political in their activities.
>>> >> I do this because there seem to be a great deal of confusion with regard to how the word "sectarian" is defined and what it implies or can imply. Other definitions than the one given by me in the below might be useful. But I seek to stick to the present day scientists and their definition of the word "sectarian". And this I think cannot be unimportant. Further it is also well-known that the word "political" have many definitions attached to it. I do hope however that my words in the below are sufficient to cover the aspects involved in the presentation I have forwarded.
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