Theos-Talk Archives (May 2011 Message tt00142)

jdm, 
Thanks for the links and the good read. I enjoyed your post. I was wondering why people seem to forget Alice L. Cleather's other books like "Science of Buddhism" Peking, 1928. Is it because she had a co-author?. Recently Daniel Caldwell posted a link for Theosophical Publications that had two of Cleather's books but not Science of Buddhism. Also she and Basil Crump wrote a series of volumes on the music 0f Wagneras well as a book "The Pseudo-Occultism of Mrs. A. Bailey" Manila, 1929, Cleather-Crump . 

It seems there was or still is "The H. P. B. Library", 348 Foul Bay Road, Victoria, B. C. that notified back in 1928 "The above books can be obtained post free"! MKR, will grin about that lol. 
Regards, 
John 






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From: "jdmsoares" <jdmsoares@JIkaCaiVlSsMS2bE7Gb1PDpQtZjqSYv3dg3yjT5ozrVzTbxhE2po4Cph9u_HofCSc589Ki8YKbzvP2o.yahoo.invalid> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:08:46 PM 
Subject: theos-talk Understanding the Theosophical Movement 







Dear Govert, friends, 

Thanks. 

Pelletier's response to Mr.Forray and Daniel can be found here: 

http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_AddressCriticsTJC.htm 
< http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_AddressCriticsTJC.htm > 

He points out that, 

"Forray claims that not enough information was presented in TJC 
about Besant's life before entering Theosophy. I wish to draw attention 
to my article published in Fohat which dealt with this very subject. 
References to it are provided, as they are too many other items which 
were not specifically included in the text of TJC. Numerous books about 
Besant are also readily available; it was therefore deemed unnecessary 
to repeat it in this context." 

Let's hope more students can read "The Judge Case" by Ernest 
Pelletier, so they can proceed with their own investigation of truth. L. Cleather's 

Besides this, we can also see the importance of the "Justice to 
Judge" initiative, so that Adyar opens the archives to independent 
investigators. 

For those who wish to understand more about the evolution of the 
theosophical movement, you can read: 

An Open Letter to Annie Besant 

How in 1909 William Kingsland 

Denounced Annie Besant's Farce 

The direct link is 
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/09/open-letter-to-annie-besant.h\ 
tml 
< http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/09/open-letter-to-annie-besant.\ 
html > 

Best regards, Joaquim 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , "Govert Schuller" <schuller@...> 
wrote: 
> 
> Dear Joaquim, 
> 
> Thanks for sharing that chapter from the "Judge Case" on the wills of 
HPB. 
> 
> After reading it a few times I have to conclude that Daniel Caldwell's 
and Brett Forray's conclusions about the book "The Judge Case" are at 
least valid and applicable to this chapter on HPB's wills. 
> 
> Daniel concluded: 
> 
> "As I have read and carefully studied the narratives written by 
Pelletier in this book I have come to the conclusion that Pelletier 
employs (as much as Paul Johnson ever did) speculative possibilities 
with little or no documentation whatsoever." 
> 
> As one progresses trough the chapter the insertions of one 
'speculative possibility' after another become quite disconcerting. 
> 
> Mr. Forray observed that Pelletier's rendering of the story is heavily 
skewered in favor of Judge, the protagonist who he wants to exonerate, 
and that he excludes other points of view. Many others, in this case 
Besant and Olcott, are depicted as immoral schemers. 
> 
> It looks like that The Judge Case reads more like a piece of advocacy 
than non-partisan historical research. 
> 
> Best 
> 
> Govert 
> 
> Sources: 
> The JUDGE CASE by Ernest E. Pelletier in 5 Parts. Reviewed by Daniel 
H. Caldwell 
> 
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/pelletier_judge_case.htm 
> 
> Brett Forray's review of Pelletier's "The Judge Case" on the 
Theosophical History website. 
> 
> http://www.theohistory.org/Judge_Case_Review-XI-2.pdf 
> 
> Pelletier's response can be found here: 
> 
> http://www.theosophycanada.com/fohat_AddressCriticsTJC.htm 
> 
> My evaluation of that response is here: 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/56122 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: jdmsoares 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:27 AM 
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Interview With Ernest Pelletier 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear friends, 
> 
> While we don't have "The Judge Case" accessible online for 
> everyone, we have published a chapter of the work of Ernest 
Pellitier. 
> 
> The chapter is entitled "The Wills of Helena P. Blavatsky". 
> 
> Here is an excerpt: 
> 
> 00000000000000000000000 
> 
> Shortly after reviewing The Secret Doctrine Annie Besant joined the 
> Theosophical Society on March 10th, 1889. Besant had made a name for 
> herself as one of England's finest orators and her abilities were 
needed 
> by the growing Society. Besant showed great promise as a student of 
> Theosophy and was soon sitting at H.P.B.'s side acknowledging her as 
> her new guru. She was quickly brought in as a pledged member of the 
> Esoteric Section. Just one month before her death H.P.B. appointed 
> Besant (April 1st, 1891) as the Chief Secretary of the Inner Group 
of 
> the Esoteric Section and Recorder of the Teachings,[1] and arranged 
for 
> her to go to America to meet William Q. Judge and deliver 
Blavatsky's 
> message to the American Convention held April 26th - 27th, 1891, as 
her 
> special delegate. At the time Besant accepted that Judge was an 
> Occultist, a view she later discounted. On May 8th Blavatsky died in 
> London while Besant was on her way back from America. 
> 
> Besant had sailed for England on May 6th and, upon receiving word of 
> Blavatsky's death, Judge followed on May 13th, 1891. Olcott would 
not 
> sail from India until June 15th. Evidentiary facts have been 
gathered 
> and are presented here for consideration regarding that period 
between 
> Blavatsky's death on May 8th and the time of Judge's arrival in 
London 
> on May 21st, 1891. 
> 
> Blavatsky executed her first Will before she left India in early 
1885. 
> According to Olcott she drew up a Will on January 31st, 1885. Olcott 
> stated: 
> 
> "The witnesses were P. Sreenivasa Row, E.H. Morgan, T. Subba Rao, 
> and C. Ramiah. It contains a clause to the effect that she wishes 
her 
> ashes to be buried within the compound of the Headquarters at Adyar; 
and 
> another request that annually, on the anniversary of her death, some 
of 
> her friends should assemble here and read a chapter of the Light of 
Asia 
> and one of Bhagavad GÃtÃ." [2] 
> 
> This is the Will and Testament which is being kept at Adyar to this 
day, 
> and considered Blavatsky's official Will. But it was not the Last 
> Will and Testament she executed. 
> 
> (.) 
> 
> 000000000000000000000000 
> 
> The complete chapter can be read at 
> 
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/02/wills-of-helena-p-blavatsky.h\ 
\ 
> tml 
> 
< http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2010/02/wills-of-helena-p-blavatsky.\ 
\ 
> html> . 
> 
> Best regards, Joaquim 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , MKR mkr777@ wrote: 
> > 
> > I just visited the interview with Pelletier, many have heard of 
his 
> > voluminous work 'The Judge Case.' Not only is it very voluminous 
and 
> > contains a lot of material, it is also pricey. Thus very few have 
seen 
> the 
> > book and not many average theosophists can afford to buy it. The 
net 
> result 
> > is the very purpose of publication is defeated. Most theosophists 
do 
> want to 
> > read first hand material and come to their own conclusions. We are 
yet 
> to 
> > see a digital copy of the book which will make it easily 
accessible to 
> > members world-wide almost instantaneously. 
> > 
> > It looks like the decision makers who who come up with pricing of 
> > theosophical publications seem to be totally blind to the need to 
make 
> > theosophical material easily accessible to middle class 
theosophists 
> most of 
> > whom work full time and live on a month to month budget and cannot 
> afford 
> > pricey books. 
> > 
> > Other leaders and authors in theosophical circles also are not 
> sensitive to 
> > the price issue. This may be because most of them may have 
received a 
> > complimentary copy or may be the books are paid for by the 
> organizations 
> > they are part of. 
> > 
> > Until the publications are converted to electronic format and made 
> available 
> > for free or for a $1, we cannot expect a good circulation. 
> > 
> > Let us all pray that those in charge of deciding on the pricing, 
soon 
> wake 
> > up to reality of the Internet world and digital publication. 
> > 
> > MKR 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:00 PM, theos-talk-owner@yahoogroups.com 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > (note prior message was truncated. now checking on group's 
> > > settings...weird) admin 
> > > =================================== 
> > > Dear friends, 
> > > 
> > > We can see that the world scenario of the theosophical movement 
is 
> > > slowly changing. 
> > > 
> > > Old lies are being debunked, step by step. Some masks are 
falling. 
> The 
> > > defense of truth is gaining strength. The true history of the 
> movement 
> > > starts to being known by an increasing number of students. 
> > > 
> > > Many have contributed so far to the revitalization process of 
the 
> > > movement as a whole. One of those devoted students is Ernest 
> Pelletier, 
> > > author of the important book "The Judge Case". 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We have just published in our websites a recent interview with 
this 
> > > lifelong worker for the Cause. 
> > > 
> > > The text is entitled: 
> > > 
> > > Ernest PelletierÃÂs Viewpoint 
> > > 
> > > A 2011 Dialogue On the Karma and 
> > > 
> > > Dharma of the Theosophical Movement 
> > > 
> > > The direct links are: 
> > > 
www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/05/ernest-pelletiers-viewpoint.html 
> and 
> > > www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=237 
> > > 
> > > Best regards, Joaquim 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , "jdmsoares" jdmsoares@ wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We have just published in our websites a recent interview with 
> this 
> > > > lifelong worker for the Cause. 
> > > > 
> > > > The text is entitled: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ernest PelletierÃÂs Viewpoint 
> > > > 
> > > > A 2011 Dialogue On the Karma and 
> > > > 
> > > > Dharma of the Theosophical Movement 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The direct links are: 
> > > > 
> www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/05/ernest-pelletiers-viewpoint.html 
and 
> > > www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=237 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards, Joaquim 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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