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Re: theos-talk Re: "...unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides...."

May 07, 2011 01:33 PM
by MKR

Orlando lodge charter cancellation issue is very simple to resolve.

1. Extreme autonomy is provided to the lodges and even International
President cannot interfere with the activities of the lodge. Even Mahatma
Letters discusses how even the Founder-President-for life, Olcott is
powerless to interfere in lodge matters.

2. Cancellation of charter is a serious matter and seizing the assets can be
done only for violation of the rules or the bylaws, not for any other
reason. In the longer run, doing so for other non violation reasons can only
wreck TS in the USA.

3. We have a fully functioning lodge having regular programs and may be they
are not studying books by authors who are/were leaders in the American
Section or some fatcats who have donated money and written theosophical

4. No elected leader has personally visited the lodge to learn first hand
what the real or imagined problems are and see how to fix them and grow the
lodge. So the information American Section has to come second hand or
hearsay from others and so who is spying on the activities of the lodge?

5. Technically and legally, American Section may have the authority to
cancel the charter for any reason. But facts based on which the cancellation
decision was taken should be convincing enough to the man on the street. We
have an organization whose motto is - There is no religion higher than
Truth, so members expect a very high standard regarding such serious

6. So far, the Section has not come out and disclosed specific reasons and
supporting facts and evidence justifying the decision. Vague statements only
raises more doubts. This is strengthened by the fact that when the lodge
appealed to the International President, she did not rubber stamp the

7. We should congratulate the lodge in getting a temporary restraining order
while it appealed the decision to the International President. They would
not have done this unless the lodge felt that they are on very strong
grounds. It is also to be noted that the legal counsel to the Section was
fully convinced that the International President acted within her authority
and hence Section had no case at this time.

8. Section wailing about not being able to recover litigation costs and
calling the fully functioning 75yr old lodge a 'renegade' and 'defunct'
talks loudly about the Section Leaders rather than the lodge.

9. The Section leadership complaining about 'losing the possibility for the
use of lodge assets for viable Theosophical work in the lodge's area' is
contradictory in that the lodge is carrying out theosophical work. Does the
Section have some definition of what is considered 'theosophical' and all
other theosophical work does not fit into their definition.

10. From the viewpoint of many members around the world, unless all the
facts are laid on the table, vague arguments and reasons will not be seen
justifying the action of the Section.

11. The reality of the situation is that the ball is in the court of the
Section and they have to quickly respond with convincing facts and evidence.
My hope is that they do it quickly and save theosophy and TS.


On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Daniel <> wrote:

> Also what HPB writes BELOW is also extremely relevant to
> the Orlando T.S. controversy.
> Daniel
> Blavatsky Study Center / Blavatsky Archives
> --- In, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > This post is timely. Many of us know nothing about Judge issue. The book
> -
> > Judge Case - authored by Ernest Pelletier is one of the most exhaustive
> > publications. It is voluminous.
> >
> > Most theosophists are open minded and inquiring disposition and would not
> > accept second hand information and want to go to source material and love
> to
> > read PelltierÃââs book.
> >
> > The unfortunate part of the book is its price. It costs nearly $90
> including
> > shipping. This is too pricey for most theosophists who have a day job and
> > live paycheck to paycheck.
> >
> > Information is power. But due to the pricey nature of the book very few
> have
> > seen the book.
> >
> > It is the duty of all theosophists to disseminate theosophical and TS
> > related information. The pricey nature of the book makes this not
> feasible.
> >
> > Now comes the role of digitization and Internet. The book can be very
> easily
> > converted to a searchable pdf file in one evening and made available on
> > Internet for anyone to download. There are many volunteers, including
> > myself, ready and willing to convert the book to pdf file and upload to
> > Internet. We can make the file free to anyone and suggest readers send in
> a
> > donation just like it was done with many shareware and freeware programs
> > since 1980s.
> >
> > I hope the publishers look at this opportunity and jump at it if they are
> > keen on supporting the move to give Judge vindication.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Daniel <danielhcaldwell@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ". . . Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things at their
> > > right value; and unless a judge compares notes and hears both sides
> > > he can hardly come to a correct decision."
> > >
> > > H. P. Blavatsky
> > >
> > > The Theosophist,
> > > Volume II, July, 1881, page 218;
> > > reprinted in H.P.B.'s Collected Writings, Volume III, p. 225.
> > >
> > > "The human mind can hardly remain entirely free from bias, and
> > > decisive opinions are often formed before a thorough examination of a
> > > subject from all its aspects has been made."
> > >
> > > H. P. Blavatsky
> > > 1888 edition, Volume I, page xvii
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > > Blavatsky Study Center / Blavatsky Archives
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >

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