Theos-Talk Archives (April 2011 Message tt00013)

The book published by Edmonton TS titled - The Judge Case should help,
anyone interested, the issues involved. I have posted a msg that encouraging
the publisher to make a pdf file available for free on the Internet will go
a long way. Hope readers here would contact Edmonton TS and request them to
furnish a pdf file on the Internet.

MKR

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM, jdmsoares <jdmsoares@TyfIYu7FRtI5muKQLQeH-rCHWpldmTc5XnTKm9EK-I-qs26Wbo4TI5D2uJnZ9BXgbJpLyS5WZDeR.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear MKR, Erica, friends,
>
> Thanks MKR.
>
> Yes, discuss the numerical growth of the movement is important. But this
> need not to be and should not to be the only item on the agenda, and
> maybe not even the main item on the agenda.
>
> Besides this, the defense of the founders is obviously related with the
> awakening of the center of the magnetic aura of the theosophical
> movement.
>
> We have in our website a very humorous and well written theater play by
> Alan Hughes, doing justice to William Judge. The title is "Old Diary
> Leaves".
>
> Alan is a long time member of Adyar Society.
>
> I invite everyone to read this wonderful play, which is published at our
> website in two parts:
>
> Old Diary Leaves
>
> A Play in 4 Acts, Lasting About 45 Minutes,
>
> On The Formation of the Theosophical Movement
>
> Direct link:
> http://www.theosophyonline.com/autores.php?autor=Alan+Hughes
> <http://www.theosophyonline.com/autores.php?autor=Alan+Hughes>
>
> Best regards, Joaquim
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was hoping something being done on the membership issue by leaders
> around
> > the world. This is one of the hot potato items no one wants to touch;
> even
> > in the last election nothing was mentioned. So one wonders about what
> the
> > priorities are in the minds of leaders around the world. We need to
> keep in
> > mind that each section is fully independent and autonomous and hence
> each
> > section has to take interest since the TS constitution does not permit
> any
> > interference on this autonomy. I recall this issue came up even during
> Annie
> > Besant's time and she gave a clear cut answer and I will try to post
> it when
> > I can locate it. That stand continued by her successors including the
> > current President.
> >
> > Let us see what happens in the coming weeks, months and years.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
> eletzerich@...wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doss,
> > >
> > > I think you have been raising many relevant issues: as the matter of
> more
> > > accessible (not so expensive) publications, membership decline, to
> > > eliminate
> > > secrecy, to allow members to have a more active voice etc, etc. And
> I know
> > > right
> > > now such matters for you are very important. But keep in mind that
> are
> > > others
> > > ongoing matters.
> > >
> > > I have no idea about the work in New Zealand and why they have so
> many
> > > members
> > > (when analyzing membership in terms of % per-country population).
> > > Membership has
> > > declined in USA, in Brazil, in UK and I am sure if we would analyse
> more
> > > carefull we will see the same phenomena in other countries as well.
> I think
> > > at
> > > this point the T.S. should already have formed an international
> committe to
> > >
> > > propose solutions, to elaborate projects etc.
> > >
> > > Erica
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: MKR mkr777@...
>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:30:14 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > >
> > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > >
> > > If NZ section is doing so well, why not learn from them and apply
> some of
> > > the techniques and practices so that we can get some results. Still
> in
> > > terms
> > > of bare numbers, India has the largest membership and is continually
> > > growing. But in the USA, where I live, the story is really sad.
> Numbers
> > > speak for themselves. In Dora's time, it was about 6,000 and from
> then on
> > > it
> > > is on a continuing decline during the next three leaders. For the
> future of
> > > the TS, the numbers cannot be ignored. I recall someone quoting the
> famous
> > > statement that so long as there are 3 members, the society will
> survive. We
> > > should not shoot for 3 member target, in my humble opinion.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Erica L. Georgiades eletzerich@...
>
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doss,
> > > >
> > > > Certainly there are many ongoing problems. But I am not sure how
> you can
> > > > say
> > > > membership in India can be used as an example. The population of
> India is
> > > > 1.21
> > > > billion as per census of 2011. Lets see numbers: 13.000 members
> -for a
> > > > country
> > > > with 1.21 billion people- is a very low membership. So I am not
> sure on
> > > > what
> > > > basis you present your argument, to claim such a success in terms
> of
> > > > membership
> > > > in India. In terms of percentage -per population- New Zealand
> Section was
> > > > -and
> > > > perhaps still is- the largest section. It is obvious the T.S. is
> not
> > > > managing
> > > > today to attract many new members. The causes for such a problem
> are
> > > many.
> > > >
> > > > That does not mean that other problems and aspects should not be
> > > > considered.
> > > > There are persons interested in a revision of Judge's case. They
> are 6
> > > > years
> > > > now requesting such a revision. You want just to ignore them? To
> say
> > > their
> > > > request is not important? To say this is a not an important
> matter? Might
> > > > not be
> > > > important or relevant for you. For them though it is something
> important
> > > > and
> > > > relevant.
> > > >
> > > > One of the reason that so many people left the T.S. and are not
> willing
> > > to
> > > > return is exactly this kind of attitude: ignoring policy. This is
> has
> > > > driven
> > > > -and keep driven- away many people. So yes, for me their request
> is
> > > > relevant and
> > > > should be considered. A revision of Judge's case is necessary
> because
> > > there
> > > > are
> > > > people requesting it YEARS NOW. And not only, It is necessary also
> > > because
> > > > it
> > > > will be a very relevant contribution for the History of the
> Theosophical
> > > > Society.
> > > >
> > > > Erica
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: MKR mkr777@...
>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:46:58 PM
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > >
> > > > While no one can judge what is important or not, in my humble
> opinion,
> > > > Theosophical movement faces more critical current issues for going
> > > forward
> > > > and in that declining membership outside India is a fact and I
> feel it
> > > > should be addressed by all, whether one belongs to one group or
> another
> > > or
> > > > none. Very little has been discussed in any forum, formal or
> informal and
> > > > come up with ideas to be tried. Most simple seems to be to visit
> India
> > > and
> > > > see what they are doing right which is yielding results year after
> year.
> > > It
> > > > is possible that some may be envious of the growth of theosophical
> > > > membership in India and that does not solve the declining
> membership
> > > issue.
> > > > In the largest section next to India, which is USA, we had 8,000
> members
> > > in
> > > > 1920 with no money, no property and today we have about 3,500 with
> > > millions
> > > > of dollars in the bank and very valuable property in Wheaton and
> in many
> > > > other cities. I think this is a very serious issue for the
> movement going
> > > > forward and we all should put our energies to address this.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Erica L. Georgiades <
> > > eletzerich@...
>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > One has no right to judge what is important for others or not.
> Learning
> > > > > from the
> > > > > past one may avoid future mistakes. Historical material cannot
> be kept
> > > > > unavailable for publication. History must be told and narrated
> on
> > > neutral
> > > > > grounds. At the moment that there is a group of persons, from
> all over
> > > > the
> > > > > world, who consider important a review of Judge's case, to
> ignore them
> > > or
> > > > > even
> > > > > to suggest (as u do now) that their request is not relevant, is
> simply
> > > > not
> > > > > democratic or right.
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: MKR mkr777@...
>
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:37:04 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In my humble opinion, the problems facing TS today is far more
> critical
> > > > > than
> > > > > what went on years ago. I think it is time to move on with
> problems at
> > > > > hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > MKR
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdmsoares jdmsoares@...
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the next days open letters will be send to Adyar, asking
> for the
> > > > > > re-examination of the accusation against William Judge, we
> have
> > > > > > published at our websites the text:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Sixth Year of Open Letters to India
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The direct links are:
> http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220
> > > > > > <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220> and
> > > > > >
> > > >
> http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/03/justice-to-judge-in-2011.html
> > > > > > <
> > > >
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