Theos-Talk Archives (April 2011 Message tt00012)

Dear MKR, Erica, friends,

Thanks MKR.

Yes, discuss the numerical growth of the movement is important. But this
need not to be and should not to be the only item on the agenda, and
maybe not even the main item on the agenda.

Besides this, the defense of the founders is obviously related with the
awakening of the center of the magnetic aura of the theosophical
movement.

We have in our website a very humorous and well written theater play by
Alan Hughes, doing justice to William Judge. The title is "Old Diary
Leaves".

Alan is a long time member of Adyar Society.

I invite everyone to read this wonderful play, which is published at our
website in two parts:



Old Diary Leaves

A Play in 4 Acts, Lasting About 45 Minutes,

On The Formation of the Theosophical Movement



Direct link:
http://www.theosophyonline.com/autores.php?autor=Alan+Hughes
<http://www.theosophyonline.com/autores.php?autor=Alan+Hughes>



Best regards, Joaquim



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> I was hoping something being done on the membership issue by leaders
around
> the world. This is one of the hot potato items no one wants to touch;
even
> in the last election nothing was mentioned. So one wonders about what
the
> priorities are in the minds of leaders around the world. We need to
keep in
> mind that each section is fully independent and autonomous and hence
each
> section has to take interest since the TS constitution does not permit
any
> interference on this autonomy. I recall this issue came up even during
Annie
> Besant's time and she gave a clear cut answer and I will try to post
it when
> I can locate it. That stand continued by her successors including the
> current President.
>
> Let us see what happens in the coming weeks, months and years.
>
> MKR
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
eletzerich@...wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Doss,
> >
> > I think you have been raising many relevant issues: as the matter of
more
> > accessible (not so expensive) publications, membership decline, to
> > eliminate
> > secrecy, to allow members to have a more active voice etc, etc. And
I know
> > right
> > now such matters for you are very important. But keep in mind that
are
> > others
> > ongoing matters.
> >
> > I have no idea about the work in New Zealand and why they have so
many
> > members
> > (when analyzing membership in terms of % per-country population).
> > Membership has
> > declined in USA, in Brazil, in UK and I am sure if we would analyse
more
> > carefull we will see the same phenomena in other countries as well.
I think
> > at
> > this point the T.S. should already have formed an international
committe to
> >
> > propose solutions, to elaborate projects etc.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: MKR mkr777@...
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:30:14 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > If NZ section is doing so well, why not learn from them and apply
some of
> > the techniques and practices so that we can get some results. Still
in
> > terms
> > of bare numbers, India has the largest membership and is continually
> > growing. But in the USA, where I live, the story is really sad.
Numbers
> > speak for themselves. In Dora's time, it was about 6,000 and from
then on
> > it
> > is on a continuing decline during the next three leaders. For the
future of
> > the TS, the numbers cannot be ignored. I recall someone quoting the
famous
> > statement that so long as there are 3 members, the society will
survive. We
> > should not shoot for 3 member target, in my humble opinion.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Erica L. Georgiades eletzerich@...
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doss,
> > >
> > > Certainly there are many ongoing problems. But I am not sure how
you can
> > > say
> > > membership in India can be used as an example. The population of
India is
> > > 1.21
> > > billion as per census of 2011. Lets see numbers: 13.000 members
-for a
> > > country
> > > with 1.21 billion people- is a very low membership. So I am not
sure on
> > > what
> > > basis you present your argument, to claim such a success in terms
of
> > > membership
> > > in India. In terms of percentage -per population- New Zealand
Section was
> > > -and
> > > perhaps still is- the largest section. It is obvious the T.S. is
not
> > > managing
> > > today to attract many new members. The causes for such a problem
are
> > many.
> > >
> > > That does not mean that other problems and aspects should not be
> > > considered.
> > > There are persons interested in a revision of Judge's case. They
are 6
> > > years
> > > now requesting such a revision. You want just to ignore them? To
say
> > their
> > > request is not important? To say this is a not an important
matter? Might
> > > not be
> > > important or relevant for you. For them though it is something
important
> > > and
> > > relevant.
> > >
> > > One of the reason that so many people left the T.S. and are not
willing
> > to
> > > return is exactly this kind of attitude: ignoring policy. This is
has
> > > driven
> > > -and keep driven- away many people. So yes, for me their request
is
> > > relevant and
> > > should be considered. A revision of Judge's case is necessary
because
> > there
> > > are
> > > people requesting it YEARS NOW. And not only, It is necessary also
> > because
> > > it
> > > will be a very relevant contribution for the History of the
Theosophical
> > > Society.
> > >
> > > Erica
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: MKR mkr777@...
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:46:58 PM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > >
> > > While no one can judge what is important or not, in my humble
opinion,
> > > Theosophical movement faces more critical current issues for going
> > forward
> > > and in that declining membership outside India is a fact and I
feel it
> > > should be addressed by all, whether one belongs to one group or
another
> > or
> > > none. Very little has been discussed in any forum, formal or
informal and
> > > come up with ideas to be tried. Most simple seems to be to visit
India
> > and
> > > see what they are doing right which is yielding results year after
year.
> > It
> > > is possible that some may be envious of the growth of theosophical
> > > membership in India and that does not solve the declining
membership
> > issue.
> > > In the largest section next to India, which is USA, we had 8,000
members
> > in
> > > 1920 with no money, no property and today we have about 3,500 with
> > millions
> > > of dollars in the bank and very valuable property in Wheaton and
in many
> > > other cities. I think this is a very serious issue for the
movement going
> > > forward and we all should put our energies to address this.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Erica L. Georgiades <
> > eletzerich@...
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One has no right to judge what is important for others or not.
Learning
> > > > from the
> > > > past one may avoid future mistakes. Historical material cannot
be kept
> > > > unavailable for publication. History must be told and narrated
on
> > neutral
> > > > grounds. At the moment that there is a group of persons, from
all over
> > > the
> > > > world, who consider important a review of Judge's case, to
ignore them
> > or
> > > > even
> > > > to suggest (as u do now) that their request is not relevant, is
simply
> > > not
> > > > democratic or right.
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: MKR mkr777@...
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:37:04 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In my humble opinion, the problems facing TS today is far more
critical
> > > > than
> > > > what went on years ago. I think it is time to move on with
problems at
> > > > hand.
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdmsoares jdmsoares@...
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > In the next days open letters will be send to Adyar, asking
for the
> > > > > re-examination of the accusation against William Judge, we
have
> > > > > published at our websites the text:
> > > > >
> > > > > Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sixth Year of Open Letters to India
> > > > >
> > > > > The direct links are:
http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220
> > > > > <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220> and
> > > > >
> > >
http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/03/justice-to-judge-in-2011.html
> > > > > <
> > >
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