Theos-Talk Archives (April 2011 Message tt00009)

I was hoping something being done on the membership issue by leaders around
the world. This is one of the hot potato items no one wants to touch; even
in the last election nothing was mentioned. So one wonders about what the
priorities are in the minds of leaders around the world. We need to keep in
mind that each section is fully independent and autonomous and hence each
section has to take interest since the TS constitution does not permit any
interference on this autonomy. I recall this issue came up even during Annie
Besant's time and she gave a clear cut answer and I will try to post it when
I can locate it. That stand continued by her successors including the
current President.

Let us see what happens in the coming weeks, months and years.

MKR

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Erica L. Georgiades <eletzerich@8tV3oFKwvPpKZ1RsNdfEeEhlHRjtUmSTMR3Nj37Wtgf1T1C95zgSIKZA3uUc-41xd-6OKPRDeigUUL1F.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

>
>
> Doss,
>
> I think you have been raising many relevant issues: as the matter of more
> accessible (not so expensive) publications, membership decline, to
> eliminate
> secrecy, to allow members to have a more active voice etc, etc. And I know
> right
> now such matters for you are very important. But keep in mind that are
> others
> ongoing matters.
>
> I have no idea about the work in New Zealand and why they have so many
> members
> (when analyzing membership in terms of % per-country population).
> Membership has
> declined in USA, in Brazil, in UK and I am sure if we would analyse more
> carefull we will see the same phenomena in other countries as well. I think
> at
> this point the T.S. should already have formed an international committe to
>
> propose solutions, to elaborate projects etc.
>
> Erica
>
> ________________________________
> From: MKR <mkr777@2ylUBV5QmukNiNWPbI9guD4ZGb59zF4_bzu1j2Bp-5oCxRo7y8fnPlp5Kgxj1iAW3LyrNQrF.yahoo.invalid>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:30:14 PM
>
> Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> If NZ section is doing so well, why not learn from them and apply some of
> the techniques and practices so that we can get some results. Still in
> terms
> of bare numbers, India has the largest membership and is continually
> growing. But in the USA, where I live, the story is really sad. Numbers
> speak for themselves. In Dora's time, it was about 6,000 and from then on
> it
> is on a continuing decline during the next three leaders. For the future of
> the TS, the numbers cannot be ignored. I recall someone quoting the famous
> statement that so long as there are 3 members, the society will survive. We
> should not shoot for 3 member target, in my humble opinion.
>
> MKR
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Erica L. Georgiades <eletzerich@8tV3oFKwvPpKZ1RsNdfEeEhlHRjtUmSTMR3Nj37Wtgf1T1C95zgSIKZA3uUc-41xd-6OKPRDeigUUL1F.yahoo.invalid
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Doss,
> >
> > Certainly there are many ongoing problems. But I am not sure how you can
> > say
> > membership in India can be used as an example. The population of India is
> > 1.21
> > billion as per census of 2011. Lets see numbers: 13.000 members -for a
> > country
> > with 1.21 billion people- is a very low membership. So I am not sure on
> > what
> > basis you present your argument, to claim such a success in terms of
> > membership
> > in India. In terms of percentage -per population- New Zealand Section was
> > -and
> > perhaps still is- the largest section. It is obvious the T.S. is not
> > managing
> > today to attract many new members. The causes for such a problem are
> many.
> >
> > That does not mean that other problems and aspects should not be
> > considered.
> > There are persons interested in a revision of Judge's case. They are 6
> > years
> > now requesting such a revision. You want just to ignore them? To say
> their
> > request is not important? To say this is a not an important matter? Might
> > not be
> > important or relevant for you. For them though it is something important
> > and
> > relevant.
> >
> > One of the reason that so many people left the T.S. and are not willing
> to
> > return is exactly this kind of attitude: ignoring policy. This is has
> > driven
> > -and keep driven- away many people. So yes, for me their request is
> > relevant and
> > should be considered. A revision of Judge's case is necessary because
> there
> > are
> > people requesting it YEARS NOW. And not only, It is necessary also
> because
> > it
> > will be a very relevant contribution for the History of the Theosophical
> > Society.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: MKR <mkr777@2ylUBV5QmukNiNWPbI9guD4ZGb59zF4_bzu1j2Bp-5oCxRo7y8fnPlp5Kgxj1iAW3LyrNQrF.yahoo.invalid>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 4:46:58 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> >
> > While no one can judge what is important or not, in my humble opinion,
> > Theosophical movement faces more critical current issues for going
> forward
> > and in that declining membership outside India is a fact and I feel it
> > should be addressed by all, whether one belongs to one group or another
> or
> > none. Very little has been discussed in any forum, formal or informal and
> > come up with ideas to be tried. Most simple seems to be to visit India
> and
> > see what they are doing right which is yielding results year after year.
> It
> > is possible that some may be envious of the growth of theosophical
> > membership in India and that does not solve the declining membership
> issue.
> > In the largest section next to India, which is USA, we had 8,000 members
> in
> > 1920 with no money, no property and today we have about 3,500 with
> millions
> > of dollars in the bank and very valuable property in Wheaton and in many
> > other cities. I think this is a very serious issue for the movement going
> > forward and we all should put our energies to address this.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Erica L. Georgiades <
> eletzerich@8tV3oFKwvPpKZ1RsNdfEeEhlHRjtUmSTMR3Nj37Wtgf1T1C95zgSIKZA3uUc-41xd-6OKPRDeigUUL1F.yahoo.invalid
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > One has no right to judge what is important for others or not. Learning
> > > from the
> > > past one may avoid future mistakes. Historical material cannot be kept
> > > unavailable for publication. History must be told and narrated on
> neutral
> > > grounds. At the moment that there is a group of persons, from all over
> > the
> > > world, who consider important a review of Judge's case, to ignore them
> or
> > > even
> > > to suggest (as u do now) that their request is not relevant, is simply
> > not
> > > democratic or right.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: MKR <mkr777@2ylUBV5QmukNiNWPbI9guD4ZGb59zF4_bzu1j2Bp-5oCxRo7y8fnPlp5Kgxj1iAW3LyrNQrF.yahoo.invalid>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 3:37:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Justice to Judge in 2011
> > >
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, the problems facing TS today is far more critical
> > > than
> > > what went on years ago. I think it is time to move on with problems at
> > > hand.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdmsoares <jdmsoares@VAJOjbFh6uvOniiaPLRtWs4g5A2ViXjqhXhJnIH88psFdl9BhZKUgAvPyRqSn6FVQlyMOHnYBzmWkw.yahoo.invalid>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear friends,
> > > >
> > > > In the next days open letters will be send to Adyar, asking for the
> > > > re-examination of the accusation against William Judge, we have
> > > > published at our websites the text:
> > > >
> > > > Justice to Judge in 2011
> > > >
> > > > The Sixth Year of Open Letters to India
> > > >
> > > > The direct links are: http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220
> > > > <http://www.theosophyonline.com/ler.php?id=220> and
> > > >
> > http://www.esoteric-philosophy.com/2011/03/justice-to-judge-in-2011.html
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