Theos-Talk Archives (March 2011 Message tt00117)

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From: Cass Silva <silva_cass@DsQD50-sABdaoLJWfEs8e09v4NyV43MiLwzKyw8ja3mQ_iN3JX1Svllf531aQumgxU-4AwAKplWnqGIx.yahoo.invalid>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 1:44:30 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications

  
Altruism is not a concept - it is an action.
Cass

--- On Tue, 15/3/11, M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@U7opgPxybMX2sT_Bd0abHMJ5_5BUzoVHcS026pCg2XH5NZD1iGKsnAZkRl4QNVGcQCAGwUmmbrM3e4ahW4y8r6leK7tv.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@U7opgPxybMX2sT_Bd0abHMJ5_5BUzoVHcS026pCg2XH5NZD1iGKsnAZkRl4QNVGcQCAGwUmmbrM3e4ahW4y8r6leK7tv.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 15 March, 2011, 3:17 AM

  

Dear Cass and friends

My views are:

What kind of political slant are you referring to, and in what manner is it a 
problem to you?

Do you disagree with H. P. Blavatsky's view which I quoted in my previous email?

H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"ENQUIRER. Do you take any part in politics?

THEOSOPHIST. As a Society, we carefully avoid them, for the reasons given below. 
To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human 
nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognise 
in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every 
old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human, 
social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the 
gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them 
off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No 
lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the 
head of affairs as of old."
(The Key to Theosophy, p. 231) 
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

Yes. Something happens in Japan. And other events happen in other parts of our 
universe, also Pakistan.
What I am concerned with is not primarily materialistic societies and 
materialistic mindsets - but primarily altruism and its promotion. What is 
important to greedy business is maybe not important in the same manner to me and 
others. We may wonder whether some greedy persons and companies benefit from 
catastrophes. But of course suffering aught to be alleviated as far as possible.

I find that altruism is not oriented towards a promotion of materialistic 
behaviour.
Altruism - is closely connected with the exact science on psychology.

Those who are concerned about the Law of Karma and Reincarnation - are concerned 
with the karmic need of the individual and humanity as a whole.

What appearntly is the proper thing to do might not be so.
I think one aught to carefully consider whom they help, and how they help, and 
why etc.

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Cass Silva 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications

Morten, with respect, but all your posts seem to have a political slant to them. 
Japan is sinking - the world is in colossal climatic change cycle - the poles 
may be shifting, and you are concerned with obtaining copies of theosophical 
literature.
Cass

--- On Mon, 14/3/11, M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@U7opgPxybMX2sT_Bd0abHMJ5_5BUzoVHcS026pCg2XH5NZD1iGKsnAZkRl4QNVGcQCAGwUmmbrM3e4ahW4y8r6leK7tv.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@U7opgPxybMX2sT_Bd0abHMJ5_5BUzoVHcS026pCg2XH5NZD1iGKsnAZkRl4QNVGcQCAGwUmmbrM3e4ahW4y8r6leK7tv.yahoo.invalid>
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 14 March, 2011, 1:19 AM

Dear friends

Nobody find it important to post any real answers to the below email by me?
I am a bit amazed, that the below email by me, appearntly, is not being taken 
seriously
I thought that you were taking your theosophical efforts seriously.

Please, understand that the email in the below, was not meant as a harsh 
criticism or anything like that. It was meant as a clarification of what is 
going on, and what has been going on for some decades with regard to deviations 
from the Original Constitution of the Theosophical Society in various later 
theosophical branches, the later Theosophical Society included at least since 
1908.

The Theosophical Society originally had the motto:
THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTH

Appearntly this motto is not important any longer.

- - - 
Martin expressed some agreement with me.
But for sure there must be many others with a view on this very important issue?

- - - 

H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"Abolish the oath in Courts, Parliament, Army and everywhere, and do as the 
Quakers do, if you will call yourselves Christians. Abolish the Courts 
themselves, for if you would follow the Commandments of Christ, you have to give 
away your coat to him who deprives you of your cloak, and turn your left cheek 
to the bully who smites you on the right. "Resist not evil, love your enemies, 
bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you," for "whosoever shall 
break one of the least of these Commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be 
called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven," "
(The Key to Theosophy, p. 55) 
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
"ENQUIRER. Do you take any part in politics?

THEOSOPHIST. As a Society, we carefully avoid them, for the reasons given below. 
To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human 
nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognise 
in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every 
old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human, 
social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the 
gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them 
off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No 
lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the 
head of affairs as of old."
(The Key to Theosophy, p. 231) 
http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: M. Sufilight 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications

Dear Konstantin

My views are:

I find it a question about how to understand the aims - and - whether one has 
understood them at all.
And what the implications of the main aim called altruism - necessarily implies. 
Thos who do NOT will perhaps without hesitation delete the Article XIII given in 
the 1890 Constitution of the Theosophical Society. Those who do, will not delete 
it. These are my views and I will try to explain them a bit further in the 
below.

I will ask the following questions to you:
So why was Article XIII removed from the 1890 Constitution of the Theosophical 
Society?
And do not we see a great number of the later theoosphical groups, the main 
Society included at least since 1908, have a blurred stance on exactly the 
content of this article?

How can one say that the objects of the Theosophical Society have been upheld 
since the time that various theosophical groups disregarded this article XIII?

Is it not true that many of the various later theosophical groups at least since 
1908 have operate with a positive view on the involvement with politics or a 
secterian stance? 


*** A ***
Take Annie Besant administrative leader of the Theosophical Soceity, (which she 
turned secterian with a Messiah Craze and also turned political with her 
outlets) and leader of an Esoteric Section, which never was meant to "boss" the 
Theosophical Society. Annie Besant whom the Theosophical Society - even today - 
claim to have taken a great lead in Theosophizing politics - ie. to apply the 
light of Theosophy to politics. But, the truth is that politics are politics a 
the lowest of ethics when compared to altruism. It is based on deceit and lies. 
And The Original Theosophical Society in 1875-1891 had no doctrinas on such a 
thing. - Therefore Article XIII was written. That is how I view it.

I ASK: But did Annie Besant as the administrative leader of the Theosophical 
Society after 1908 and as a Messiah promoter in fact not politicise Theosophy?
The Theosophical Society in Adyar and the papers written by Annie Besant in her 
time seem to confirm this view and the above views.

*** B ***
And take Alice A. Bailey's - organisation, the Lucis Trust, which cannot be 
called an esoteric section in the sense of the word since it uses the Alice A. 
Bailey corpus as a main Bible or similar with its mundane political statements - 
and in fact operates as a sect with an Alice A. Bailey doctrine while it 
involves its Triangle Section scheme with mundane politics - and - are open for 
members who all of them are being taught the same secterian doctrine.
This was in opposition to the Constitution of the Theosophical Soceity given in 
1890. Yet Alice A. Bailey's Lucis Trust has nothing to do with the Theosophical 
Society as it was during Annie Besants time --- and as far as I am concerned 
neither with The Theosophical Society as it mainly operated in 1875-1891.
The Lucis Trust website and the papers written by Alice A. Bailey in her time 
seem to confirm my views.
Secterian it is. And therefore it cannot followm the aims given in the 
Constitution of the Theosophical Society in 1890. So why this attempt to ignore 
the Constitution of the Theosophical Society given in in 1890 - if this 
organisation does not serve another aim? Namely to - more or less consciously - 
avoid to reconcile all religions, sects and nations under a common system of 
ethics, based on eternal verities.

*** C ***
Not even some of the ULT groups understand the importance of Article XIII in the 
1890 Constitution of the Theosophical Society - if we have a look at their 
websites. Their content seem to aim at a secterian promotion.

*** D ***
The Pasadena Theosophists are perhaps the ones who come closests to the original 
aims. But one will have to dig oneself through a maze of pages to find it hidden 
in various pages and articles, - and more than one of them you can find. (Try 
for instance the constitution given in 1875 
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gfkforum/ourdir.htm and also Franz Hartman, 
(who later went a bit astray if I am asked about it), on the three objects. He 
wrote: "Owing to the many misconceptions existing within and without the ranks 
of the Theosophical Society in regard to its nature and object, this 
non-dogmatic and unsectarian character of the Society can hardly be asserted and 
insisted on with sufficient emphasis. The idea of a society having no dogma and 
no creed is too grand to be grasped by the average mind accustomed to see itself 
surrounded by innumerable circles, each of which has a certain accepted thought, 
but no real self-knowledge for its centre." - THE
THREE OBJECTS OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY IN AMERICA: I)

But I find the Pasadena Theosophical Society's avoidance of holding the content 
of Article XIII high as a lamp for everyone to see a bit disturbing. And its HQ 
website is not clearly stating the same thing and in fact has a tendency to 
secterian promotions instead. And this make me wonder about what its members and 
its organisations real aims are compared to the Constitution of the Theosophical 
Society given in 1890.

- - - - - -
I know, that I might provoke some readers emtions or intelluctual blockages. 
But, please bear in mind that I am just seeking the truth here. And I am 
prefectly aware that I might be in error. But if I am, I will gladly invite 
anyone to show me why.

Altruism is the corner-stone, and was the aim of the Theosophical Society given 
in 1875-1891.
One of the aims, the primary one was altruism, ie. to form the nucleus of a 
Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, 
caste or colour. - And by this - to reconcile all religions, sects and nations 
under a common system of ethics, based on eternal verities. Mentioned in the 
theosophist in 1879 and also in The Key to Theosophy by its co-founder 
Blavatsky. 


This noble task cannot be achieved when a theosophical group allow itself to 
politicise Theosophy, as if the Theosophical Society had any political doctrinas 
being taught on behalf of the Society!
This noble task cannot be achieved when a theosophical group allow itself to 
turn a non-secterian Society into a secterian one!

This must be the truth.

Any comments?
Anyone?

M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Konstantin Zaitzev 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Digital files of publications

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@...> wrote:

> But, which - objects - of the Theosophical Society are we talking
> about?

I mean those which are in use nowdays and which remain unchanged already for 100 
years. But I would also agree with the objects given in the Rules of 1890, the 
last edition made during the life of H.P. Blavatsky. Generally, they don't 
contradict to the modern ones.

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