Theos-Talk Archives (February 2011 Message tt00071)

I thought this might be of interest to theosophists

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> From: "Dr.d" <Dr.d@WT_lK2ojjSu1ik0TF-sO9SSUO0sV6Tu7bq_cE1zC-JIe2dvxuAZc5v6E3XpXFbFtXLbISYS9juDbUNDZ4-nMPlnm.yahoo.invalid>
> Date: February 16, 2011 10:42:34 AM EST
> To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mind and Brain] Re: News: Critical thinking called into question
> Reply-To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
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>      Thank you Leon, I could have not said it better. It is difficult not to realize that most of what is practical, useful and predictable behavior in nature is based only partially on direct human observation, the rest being derived from the systematic combinations/permutations and parsing of symbolic or sentential logic representations of that 'invisible' object/event that critically influences our existential reality. There is more metaphysical logic in science than meets the insensitive/prejudiced eye. As it happens, quantum theory provides at present the most dependable interpretation of scientificmeasurements of complex, evasive natural phenomena. Being essentially a probability calculus makes quantum theory more fitting to the way humans make decisions about their biological, psychic and social issues they live with. There is nothing wrong with the materialistic/physicalist religion if they want to stop their enquiry at that level. The conundrum of metaphysical logic modeling is not meant for the intellectually faint hearted. To deny the importance of philosophy or even organized religion in the lives of the human species is symptomatic of history myopia/blindness and a pitiful state of intellectual existence.    Dr.d
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> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, Leon Maurer <leonmaurer@...> wrote:
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> > QM is nothing more than symbolic mathematics describing the dynamics of particle-waveforms and their interactions. It has nothing to do with explaining anything about the true cause or nature of total reality as it actually exists. However, since its conclusions about such realities are open to interpretation, it's perfectly reasonable to link its apparently mystical findings (such as wave particle dualities, EPR paradoxes, virtual particles, etc.) with the directly observed realities experienced in higher states of consciousness that clearly (logically) explains such paradoxes and other anomalies (such as QM's and GRT's incompatibilities, and inconsistencies). 
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> > The only formerly mystical things QM has proved is the existence of so called "virtual particles" in the Planck volume ? which must be the quantum aspects of the higher order hyperspace (metaphysical) fields postulated by string-M theories (like electrons/photons are parts of the lower order EM fields). Consequently, it's perfectly reasonable to link quantum (and string) physics with the metaphysical astral, mental and spiritual worlds of the so called (pejoratively by the dyed in the wool materialists) "Mystics". 
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> > Unfortunately, those materialists (whether faith-based religionists or not) ? knowing nothing about actual higher order metaphysical astral, mental and spiritual field realities (which are quite obvious to clear minded "introspectors" or meditators) ? assume that mathematical and observational physics is the only thing they can base their judgements about reality on. Many "conservatives" and neo-conservatives", who lean to the right in their politics, fall into this "spiritually blind" category. Sadly, they think that religion equates with spirituality, conscience means following God's or Jesus' commandments, matter is more fundamental than consciousness, and everyone and everything is separate from each other. That's most likely why the present world is in such disarray. ;-(
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> > Leon
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> > On Feb 15, 2011, at 2/15/119:45 AM, Philip Benjamin wrote:
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> > > Silva Cass: " QM has proved that other dimensions exist that do not conform to universal scientific laws".
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> > > [Philip Benjamin]: 
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> > > QM is about PHYSICAL things and events. Those who emphasize SUBJECTIVITY over OBJECTIVITY aka mystics have come up with various INTERPRETATIONS of QM. You can prove almost anything depending on the choice of QM interpretation. Interpretation is philosophy, not science. 
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> > > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: silva_cass@...
> > > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:55:58 -0800
> > > Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Re: News: Critical thinking called into question
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> > > IMO, we have a physical body and an astral body. One acts as a particle the other as a wave, so what's the problem with higher dimensional existence acting differently from its sentient expression? QM has proved that other dimensions exist that do not conform to universal scientific laws.
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> > > Cass
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> > > --- On Mon, 14/2/11, Philip Benjamin medinuclear@... wrote:
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> > > From: Philip Benjamin medinuclear@...
> > > Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Re: News: Critical thinking called into question
> > > To: "MindBrain MindBrain" mindbrain@yahoogroups.com
> > > Received: Monday, 14 February, 2011, 5:29 AM
> > > 
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> > > What has QM "proved"? It explained accurately a whole lot of PHYSICAL phenomena- nothing supersensate, whatever that means! The "super-ness" 
> > > is forced into the discussion by the arbitrary assumption of a mysteriously contrived particle-wave simultaneity.
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> > > Particles below a certain threshold of dimension behave AS IF it is a wave so that you can force wave equations on them. They also behave AS IF it is astring so that you can force string equations on them. So then what is it? String? or Wave?. Neither. Just particles behaving as if they are waves or strings. There is no need for Jungian sorcery or Heisenberg Taoism!! 
> > > To: MindBrain@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: silva_cass@...
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:47:01 -0800
> > > Subject: RE: [Mind and Brain] Re: News: Critical thinking called into question
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> > > Phillip, WHY must such physical interaction be subject to physical laws? As a layperson this suggests that our physical laws must govern all supersensate existence for them to exist? Clearly, QM has proved that other states exist - science posits a dark matter/energy that exists but still remains unquantifiable by our physical laws.
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> > > Cass 
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