Theos-Talk Archives (February 2011 Message tt00065)

Erica, 
Thanks for the article link, what a shame to lose lives in that fashion. In one the the links I spnet time reading yesterday it told the a brother of the Dalai Lama was directly working for the CIA and directly working to prevent Chinese success in Tibet, I don't recall what the name was I am getting a little sleepy. I will check to see if it was the father of Norbu. 
John 
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Nephew of Dalai Lama killed along Fla. highway 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41593576/ns/us_news/ 

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Thanks for the links, I spent pretty much all day reading it all, very 
informative contents. I have a special place in my heart for the Chinese 
Communists expansions that are historical and ongoing in spite of their regular 
announcements that China has no interest in advancing it's territorial holdings. 
One can read how the Maoists rebels of Nepal followed the standard procedures of 
bombing maiming and killing in Nepal and finially a political election to 
supremacy there, prompting their dissolving the historical monarchy a few years 
ago giving China another Nation to swallow bordering the already conquested 
Tibet. Nepal now has no electricity for 14 hours each day, what a wonderful 
Marxist utopia. When you look at the Google Earth presentation of the old 
Tibetan Border you will see "Red" lined border areas. These are almost all 
disputed land claimed by both China/ India or China/ Bhutan or China/ 
Tazjekistan. Areas of Kafiristhan, Baltistan, Aksai-Chin, Demchok, Uttaranchal 
(Uttarakhand) , Arunchai Pradesh, Sikkim, all have Chinese contestation of 
border area's or outright Chinese claim that it belongs to China. along with the 
Chinese Claim to own Formosa (If you investigate the Historical Map of Chinese 
Dynasty's you will see that none of them actually ever claimed Formosa which was 
inhabited historically by fleeing criminals and renegades and pirates to such a 
degree that none of the Emperors would sanction invasion. China also has current 
ongoing Claims of sea Island , the Spratly Islands off of the Phillipines, the 
Paracel Islands off of Vietnam,the Senkakus Islands and Diaoyutai Island of 
Japan China claims as it's own, they are over 212 miles out to sea from the 
Chinese coast. Remember all that rhetoric ans polemic about the " evil 
Capitalist Empires that raped and pillages foreign lands for oil , resources, 
wealth? LMAO! While sleeping giants sleep China has great plans for all of us. 
There was once a Chinese Monk when landed on the west coast of America widely 
traveled and recorded much of the American west over 200 years before Columbus 
even made maps. Ref: "Gods from the Far East - How the Chinese Discovered 
America " by Henriette Hertz, includes 16 pages of photographs and maps 
(original Tile was "Pale Ink" ), 1953, 1972 ISBN # 345 - 23964 - 4 - 150. 

The Chinese have actually used the original record the book references to make 
certain illusions about who came to America first. The Chinese also have made 
use of the huge Human Genome Project findings to trace origins back to Chinese 
populations such as attempting to show that the Tibetans are originally from 
Chinese stock in order to justify claims on lands and peoples. The are engaged 
in huge resources exploitation in Tibet and elsewhere. 

Yesterday it was announced that China passed Japan as the Worlds number 2 
Economy after the USA. 

The Idea that China can forbid the Spiritual "Return"of a Tulku or any Spiritual 
Being is intrinsically degenerate in my personal view. 

Two days ago it was posted again the "The Dalai Lama said he wants to Retire" 
and leave the Political struggle to the Tibetan Exile Community and it's 
Organization and possibly return to Tibet so he may die on Tibetan soil. 

>>> http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Dalai-Lama-to-retire-in-six-months-20072.html <<< 
>> 

>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1425&bih=681&q=dalai%20lama%20wants%20to%20retire%20-%20feb.%202011&gbv=2&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw <<< 
>>> 

New Chinese Law banning Dalai Lama Reincarnation 

>>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/New-Chinese-law-banning-Dalai-Lama-reincarnation-aimed-at-wiping-out-Tibetan-identity/articleshow/7495939.cms <<< 
>>> 

John 
The Silence is deafening 

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Speaking about Tibetans, there are some interesting developments in the 
Tibetan community in India. Never underestimate the ability of those 
supposedly enlightened lamas to go nuts. 

Quest for crown uncovers Tibetan politicking 
http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/BA12Df01.html 
< http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/BA12Df01.html > 

The tale of two Karmapas 
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EL24Ad02.html 
< http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EL24Ad02.html > 

Tibetan Buddhism the Western way 
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EL25Ad05.html 
< http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/EL25Ad05.html > 

China gains from India's Tibetan bungle 
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MB12Df02.html 
< http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MB12Df02.html > (in 3 parts) 

Excerpts from the last article: 

China is looking on with a certain amount of satisfaction as India 
bungles the management of a key anti-China strategic asset - the Tibetan 
emigre and indigenous ethnic Tibetan Buddhist communities in north India 
- with a high-profile, borderline xenophobic campaign against the 
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje, a young monk widely viewed as the 
designated successor to the Dalai Lama as the symbol of Tibetan culture, 
religion and national aspirations. 

Indian newspapers have been filled with accusations of financial 
misconduct, intention to evade currency and real estate laws, and, most 
provocatively, the claim that the Karmapa is a Chinese mole, receiving 
bricks of Chinese cash that he intended to use to establish a string of 
pro-Chinese monasteries on the Indian side of the border. 

The story of the Karmapa is also the story of violent, bloody and 
sometimes fatal struggles within Tibetan Buddhism, within the Kagyu sect 
itself, and the determination of India's security establishment to 
control Tibetan Buddhist affairs in the sensitive border regions. 

...the Dalai Lama's decidedly un-Buddhist brother, Gyalo Thondup - who 
was the US Central Intelligence Agency liaison for the secret war 
against the Chinese occupation of Tibet - spearheaded the creation of a 
"united front" that would centralize the control of the fractious emigre 
community and sects under the control of the government in exile in 
Dharmsala. The other sects were apparently loathe to bow to Gelugpa 
control and formed their own political organization, the "Fourteen 
Settlements" group under the leadership of Gungthang Tsultrim. 

In 1977, Gungthang was assassinated. His assassin allegedly told police 
that he had been paid $35,000 to commit the crime by the 
government-in-exile, and further alleged that he had been promised a 
bounty of double that amount to kill the current Karmapa. 

The situation was complicated by a split within the Kagyu sect itself 
upon the death of the 16th Karmapa in 1981.The conflict boils down to 
the rivalry between two Rinpoche in the Kagyu order, Tai Situ Rinpoche 
and Shamar Rinpoche ("Rinpoche" is an honorific typically applied to 
reincarnated lamas). 

Tai Situ Rinpoche claimed to have found a secret note from the 16th 
Karmapa that directed him to the boy subsequently acknowledged by the 
Dalai Lama and enthroned in 1992 as Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th 
Karmapa. 

Shamar Rinpoche had none of that, asserting that a dream led him to a 
different Karmapa, one Trinley Thaye Dorje, whom he quietly brought to 
India from the PRC and enthroned in 1994. 

Adherents of Shamar Rinpoche consider Ogyen Trinley Dorje's 
acknowledgement by the Dalai Lama as a piece of low, Gelugpa 
skullduggery. An America student of Shamar Rinpoche, Erik Curren, wrote 
a book on the Karmapa controversy titled "Buddha's Not Smiling". Talking 
to Asia Times, Mr Curren characterized the elevation of Ogyen Trinley 
Dorje as a virtual coup d'etat against the Kagyu sect by the Dalai Lama, 
with the intention of elevating an easily-manipulated son of nomads to 
the position of Karmapa. 

Shamar Rinpoche's followers have also hinted that a neutral Rinpoche was 
murdered during the trip to Tibet to find Ogyen Trinley Dorje so he 
wouldn't complicate the selection process. They have also alleged that 
the young man now in Dharmsala isn't even Ogyen Trinley Dorje at all. 

A 1998 suit filed by a follower of Shamar Rinpoche further accused Tai 
Situ Rinpoche-and the Dalai Lama and his brother-of scheming to seize 
Rumtek, destabilize Sikkim, and hand it over to the Chinese. 

Certainly, beyond pleasant Buddhist platitudes concerning universal 
brotherhood, Tai Situ Rinpoche has made no secret of his efforts to 
re-establish his position inside Tibet with the help of the Chinese 
government. 

He has rebuilt his traditional seat, Palpung Monastery, in western 
Sichuan province. His lavish website offers gorgeous views of the 
monastery and states that 300 students and 50 monks reside there. 

For its part, the Chinese government appears to encourage the 
establishment of Tibetan organizations overseas that are affiliated with 
partisans of Tai Situ Rinpoche and promote Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the 
Karmapa. 

After a car belonging to an associate of the Karmapa was inspected on 
January 26 (itself perhaps an indication of heightened scrutiny), 
revealing a suitcase of cash, the Karmapa's residence - the Gyuto 
Tantric Buddhist and University - was raided. The eager Indian press was 
deluged with information concerning the suspicious mounds of cash - 
allegedly worth US$1 million if the face value of supposedly counterfeit 
rupees was counted - found in the residence, including the equivalent of 
over one hundred thousand US dollars in yuan notes. 

The anti-Karmapa wind in the Indian press continued with the Times of 
India reporting that crucial medical records - that might have revealed 
the Karmapa as an over-age imposter - had vanished. 

India's The Telegraph provided the insinuations-or trial balloons - from 
inside the Indian government concerning the Karmapa's possible arrest 
and deportation as a Chinese "agent of influence." 

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