Theos-Talk Archives (October 2010 Message tt00139)

And who do you think Mr Hubbard plagariased? Blavatsky's cupboard!
Cass


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>Sent: Fri, 15 October, 2010 1:41:20 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled
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>It gets better. The whole Remote Viewing program and its subsequent 
>spin-offs was based on Scientology.
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>Chuck the Heretic
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>www.charlescosimano.com 
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>In a message dated 10/13/2010 7:11:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>Augoeides-222@-5A5J1UtX1F1qPMTj8LL4y4tEfa6f1EJdi7X7pvVJetNoSE_666s1avMsHRCABdG8EZRJGMji3Lx1YmrJDhdfg.yahoo.invalid writes:
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>Cass, Hmmm, it is? Lol! I happened to be Google Earthing "Hollywood Blvd" 
>in Hollywood California the other day looking to fing "Graumans Chinese 
>Theatre" on Hollywood Blvd. As I was on "Street Views and proceeded up 
>Hollywood Blvd I came to what once was the 12 story high Security Pacific bank 
>Building rising high into the sky there! But it was not a bank any more gues 
>what it was? It was the Hollywood Scientology Bldg and right next to it was 
>the L. Ron hubbard Museum. Now this sin't the only place in Hollywood that 
>is owned by the disintegrating organization but throughout much of America 
>they are found and I think if my memory is right they greatly out number the 
>enrollments of Theosophy lol! Not withstanding that they were banned in 
>Germany and certtain other localities you are familar with lol! I dare say 
>they possess multiples of the cash Theosophy has having parted it from 
>believers. Actually outside of Patanjali who described the Con ditioned Mind of 

>Mankind at length Scientology is the solitary modern resource to describing 
>it with new augmentations and accesses that are scientifically repeatable. 
>I am not an advocate just a realist . What is, is.That building was a 
>surprise to me! My discernemnet of how Hubbard got what he got is that he 
>managed to extraspolate the Yoga Sutra's teachig into a new modern language in a 
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>technical manner and facilitated it's gnosis into a discipline using 
>technology no yoga ever possesed the "truth machine". One of the largest 
>deficits a yoga has against his success is his own interior lies to his self due 
>
>to the state of his seven fold economy and what holds it back, he found the 
>means to reveal the false fancy's, considertions, agreements , false idea's 
>that stopped so many from adeptship. In his Reactive Mind views he 
>actually used the Socratic and Platonic Infrastructure of the Dialectic Frame 
>which _was taught by Socrates and Plato as the means to arrive to t he "Truth". 

>Blavatsky never stopped saying "There is no Religion Higher than Truth!" Am 
>I correct about her? 
>
>Nothing strikes more terror into the conditioned mind than Truth! 
>
>regards, 
>John 
>
>----- Original Message----- 
>From: "Cass Silva" <
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>To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
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>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:28:47 PM 
>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled 
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>As Scientology is being systematically being closed down and brought into 
>global 
>disrepute - are these new foundations, simply a restructuring of 
>scientology? 
>Any one wanting to know so much about me leaves me very suspicious about 
>their 
>motives. The spiritual path is not about our psychological nature so why 
>the 
>need for a psych evaluation? 
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>>Cass 
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>>To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
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>>Sent: Wed, 13 October, 2010 4:06:26 PM 
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled 
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>>Theo, 
>>Thank for your comments and reply. My view about Theosophy has been from 
>time to 
>>time posted here. I have the position that was inculcated by knowledge I 
>got 
>>when exposed to Scientilogical methods I was taugh such as Goals- 
>Targeting - 
>>Survey techniques. In order to know what is "Wanted - Desired- and 
>Reached for" 
>>one does a type of market survey to find out just what turns people on 
>and off. 
>>The result gives a pretty good indication of the present state of the 
>>consciousness of a population such as the current young generation which 
>is 
>>removed from Blavatskys days by 119 years of" start - change - stop" 
>process 
>>which forms the evolution seen. The victorian age ended 
>> 
>>largely becuase of evolution of science and mans expanded understanding 
>and 
>>reason. People just do not reach out or desire the same things of 
>Blavatsky's 
>>time. In order to create a public that wants and desires what you offer 
>you have 
>>to offer what they actually will reach for and based on book sales (which 
>is one 
>>good parameter to measure the current publics "reach" it seems to me to 
>be 
>>everything that Morten wants to erase from existance however fron people 
>of my 
>>age may see differently. Today they hold "Psychic and Paranormal Fairs" 
>and "UFO 
>>Conventions" in Europe, Asia, So, America, America, Canada, Australia and 
>gather 
>>large public attendence by persons able and willing to pay some times 
>$600 -700 
>>USD to see videos, listen to presentations about Psychic, Paranormal, 
>UFO, Life 
>>after Death, NDE's, Past Life Recalls and a plethora of other subject 
>matter. 
>>This, for the last several decades has been a "Success Formula" that even 
>though 
>>it does not represent a significant percentile of the general population 
>it 
>>easily gathers more people annually than the entire world wide population 
>of 
>>Theosophical Societies in my view. 
>> 
>> 
>>In the i970's I used to go to the Besant Lodge on Beachwood Dr. in 
>Hollywood. On 
>>what was called then the "Temple Hill "area. The directorvback then a 
>Frank 
>>Silberman. After entering the front vestibule one stepped into the book 
>store 
>>that had the primary Theosophical titles by Blavatsky, Olcutt and Judge 
>etc. But 
>>these volumes took only a little space of the total shelf space. The rest 
>was 
>>occupied then like now by books on the above mentioned topics. The reason 
>for 
>>that was that that is what sold! Lodges are significantly supported by 
>book 
>>sales income which also is part of the tithe sent to HDQTRS. 
>> 
>> 
>>My view is Blavatsky's "Economy of the Being" , "The Seven Fold 
>Constitution" 
>>that defines that "gestalt" of each persons individual make up, and which 
>is the 
>>determining operative make-up that causes people to "Reach" is not 
>something any 
>>one can postulate away, or evade the existence of. To my view it is a 
>"senior" 
>>operating contributor to what is "Acceptable and "Desired" by each 
>persons 
>>economy, moment to moment, through each life time that dictates what 
>attracts 
>>each of us to what we will gather to ourselves as fullfillment, 
>gratification, 
>>and expansiveness to our beingness and understanding according to our 
>karmic 
>>aggregates that are in manisfestation unique to our individualitys. If 
>Theosophy 
>>has a deficit in terms of what is "Wanted", "Desired", "Needed" I and the 
>others 
>>such asa young generation will never be attracted no matter how much 
>others wish 
>>it to happen. 
>> 
>> 
>>Mkr has spoken of the large attendance to Theosophy in India by Indians. 
>But to 
>>really know why it attracts them an in depth analytical measurement and 
>survey 
>>should be performed. I think the findings will be very specific to the 
>Indian 
>>culture self concepts which will be unique to them. Also there has been 
>mention 
>>of the large Brazilian interest 
>> 
>>as to Theosophy, i entertain a view that Brazil has a very large interest 
>in 
>>"Spiritualism" a long established character in Brazil. There seems to be 
>a large 
>>following after the teachings Alan Cardec Mesmerism in Brazil both areas 
>lend to 
>>easy curiosity as regards Theosophy, Brazil has the "Mountain of the 
>Magicians' 
>>some wherethere but I have forgotten what Martin Leiderman told 
>meppersonally in 
>>1970's and I haven't been abel to find it otherwise. My point is today 
>there are 
>>yet certain "Cultures" that have populations that can be receptive in 
>different 
>>degree's than more western industrialized nations due to the 
>"receptivity" of 
>>the populace to the "Mysteries" composed of a multitude of unknowns to 
>them. Not 
>>everyone wants to be a buddhist or other type, "differentiation" is the 
>modis 
>>operandi and homogenaity is a pipe dream. 
>> 
>> 
>>Some have mentioned lodges that have Teaching Courses all over the world. 
>Well 
>>it takes considerable time spent when it is a in depth worthwhile course, 
>>usually with a course "Fee" that helps support the maintenance of the 
>roof over 
>>the head of the lodge itself an other expenses. Courses are worth while. 
>But 
>>time is not always found next to the whell of necessity of daily life and 
>work. 
>>So many just will purchase books on subjects they value for personal 
>reasons. 
>>Online Blog and discussion groups can be a good experience as well as 
>expansive 
>>to friendship with other who have the same interests. 
>> 
>> 
>>Today there can be "Personal Channels" created by individuals or 
>Organizations 
>>that have a wide character from mediated instructor ship or only 
>documentarys 
>>without personal exposures. I have seen a variety of them online. In 
>China today 
>>the Chinese User internet population is over 300 million individuals 
>almost the 
>>entire population of the USA. In china today there is a protacted ongoing 
>UFO 
>>Flap that features videos and cell phone photos thown on nationa and 
>local news 
>>here in the USA. The Chinese have a large legacy of beliefs, 
>superstitions, 
>>curiositys etc, yet a brand new middle class has appeared that is 
>transforming 
>>the directions of minds there as has happened practically everywhere else 
>in 
>>serial order on this planet over time. Hamlets Mill will grind those who 
>persist 
>>in being resistant to change to make flour of them. 
>> 
>> 
>>What happened to the previous world and civilizations was "Start- 
>Change-Stop" 
>>we need to be able to see that when it is happening with awareness and 
>conscious 
>>truth. Then make the proper appropiate adaptions. The Sumer, Accadians, 
>Hyksos, 
>>Assyrians, Hittite, Lemurians, Altantians and all the rest became flour 
>when 
>>they failed to move in time with the wave of change, solve et coagula. We 
>>dissolve and appear a new having appropiateness and context as dictated 
>by 
>>evolutions of our beingness in keeping with the "Lords of Karma" on the 
>dynamic 
>>scales of magnitudes, micro to macro, as Blavatsky spoke of as well as 
>many 
>>others past. 
>> 
>> 
>>To me , it is not a question of "deviation" from a set program, but the 
>Reality 
>>and senior Nature of Life , that which is the All that we come with, and 
>Al_l 
>>that is About us, of we we are it's ray of expression. Once I and others 
>were 
>>instructed "Seek not of I ----- Seek rather the Energy of your own Being 
>---- 
>>and the Space that is About you". We have our existance in the Ocean of 
>Beauty a 
>>la Proclus and Plotinus, we sail as sailors like the Argonauts pushed by 
>the 
>>waves of Life itself. 
>> 
>> 
>>Regards to all, 
>>John 
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "paijmanstheo" < _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
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>>To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com_ 
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>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:20:01 PM 
>>Subject: theos-talk Re: Isis Unveiled 
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>>Hi John, you know that I hold you in the highest of respects. And I am 
>much 
>>educated by your posts on Juan Moricz - you being my only, learned source 
>as to 
>>that. 
>> 
>> 
>>In regards to the url you cite, I am puzzled by the fact that theosophy - 
>at one 
>>time at the forefront of human development - in the 21st century has 
>dwindled to 
>>a sorry state where it is seen as an, at most, curious superstition or an 
>>erroneous cultic belief system developing out of the reactionary forces 
>to the 
>>early industrialisation processes of western society (six years before 
>"Isis 
>>Unveiled" saw print the steam engine was 'discovered') - has not grasped 
>this 
>>unique era in embracing the various new communications platforms. 
>> 
>> 
>>My estimate is that this is for a variety of reasons: fear and lack of 
>>understanding of the new, lack of trust in a new generation, failure to 
>>understand evolutionary processes in reg_ards to the tension fields 
>created by 
>>adherence to dogma in the austere bodies of wisdom and the esoteric 
>schools, and 
>>utmost sloppiness in regards to heritage preservation and maintenance. 
>> 
>> 
>>Kind regards, 
>> 
>>Theo 
>> 
>>--- In _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@7TNscjAwjwf5nYzIOpqlhn8yLqiGErPKDSQppSK8dyZfh0T281idBPCPGXJxxciowLRQXKXWrUxcKDjTOG4j6i7P-3WT.yahoo.invalid_ 
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>>> Theo, 
>>> I wanted to give you a website link: 
>>> 
>>> Links to Theosophical Texts Online 
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>>> >>> _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) 
>_http://www.austheos.org.au/clibrary/bindex-t.html_ 
>(http://www.austheos.org.au/clibrary/bindex-t.html) _ 
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>>> 
>>> You and others might find some unread worthy documents among the links. 
>What is 
>>>your view of Juan Moric z ? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> John 
>>> 
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