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James and Martin

Oct 09, 2010 03:58 PM
by Duane Carpenter

Thank you James for your insights.
If someone can open our minds we can then do the rest ourselves.
The REAL truth as Martin pointed out with the Buddha quote is here in our own 
self Ârealization and not merely books or sacred passages no matter how 
beautiful or inspiring.

Thanks MartinÂIÂÂagree with everything you said.
Rumi has a great saying that goes "we can never know the truth until we as 
individual Âpersons are first broken"
or "The wailing of broken hearts is the doorway to God" This is the radical 
revolution that needs to be understood and initiated by each person and not all 
this nit picking over semanticsÂor who is the REAL teacher.

In the Muslim faith their is the lesser Jihad in which we beat back aggressive 
foes who are invading ourÂphysical spaceÂand the greater Jihad where each person 
must come to destroy all that prevents the true spirit of Love from pouring into 
their hearts.
Blessings Duane

From: jamesbergh <>
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 3:22:06 PM
Subject: Re: theos-talk Aurobindo's madman?

Martin, just joined your site.
Besides the words on cooperation, I found your thoughts on Anarchy of Aquarius 
of value.
In searching on unmattavat, I found Aurobindo's thoughts, 
in The Synthesis of Yoga,
"The outer being lives in a God-possessed frenzy careless of itself and the 
world, unmattavat, or with an entire disregard, whether of conventions or 
proprieties of fitting human action or of harmony and rhythms of a greater 
Truth. It acts as the unbound vital being, pisacavat, the divine maniac or else 
the divine demonic."

At 64, and a child of the 60's while living in San Francisco, I have never been 
one for conventions of the times. I would say that Ramakrishna was one of the 
unmattavats. At present I am delving into the Upanishads. I can say that AAB, 
opened my mind, when I became stagnated.

I have been reading Swami Ranganathananda, who holds that science is a friend of 
wisdom, and his thoughts on what is modern. In The Message of the Upanishads, he 
writes (from talks),
"But there is another word meaning, a more profound meaning, to this word 
(modern).In this second meaning the modern man is he who is nourished on the 
spirit of science, who is alert of mind and on track of truth, who has the 
capacity to question,'to seek, ask,and knock' as Jesus expresses it it. That man 
is modern who is inquisitive, who has a passion for truth and the power of 
rational investigation, who never takes things for granted but always strives to 
get at the heart of things; his heart constantly asks, 'Whats next? Whats 
next?'. For in the Upanishads too there is this atmosphere of alertness, this 
mood of constant seeking, a deep passion for truth, and a constant desire to 
forge ahead and not take things for granted in a complacent spirit. It is here 
that you find the close kinship between the Upanishads and the modern spirit."

All said, down with stagnation,

--- In, Martin <Mvandertak@...> wrote:

> What we need to do only is to stop fighting among eachother who is right or 
> wrong but cooperate and be open minded and in doing so be open to others as 
> well, without expelling people but appeal to their own judgement in clearly 
> saying where they go or went wrong. 

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