Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00150)

Dear Katinka and friends

My views are:

Katinka wrote:
"Let's face it: unmoderated online forums are a fiction. They don't exist. First of all there's spam. Then there's people who just can't seem to behave. No list functioning for actual people can afford to be unmoderated."

M. Sufilight says:
On this I tende very much to agree with.

Katinka wrote:
"I've seen some of Frank's recent mails - which aren't let through onto this list - and they really do go too far. Sorry Frank, that's how I feel. 

[I would not mention it publicly, but I guess we have to fight it all out - and this is also why the theosophical ning has gone private: hashing it out in public is not exactly good PR for the theosophical movement. Still, hashing out we need to do. Avoiding disagreements in the name of brotherhood just doesn't work. It only leads to blow ups later. The challenge is to disagree politely, staying friendly. Not accusing each other of black magic and things like that.]"

M. Sufilight says:
Yes. But, as I see it, you seem to forget or avoid the importance of what - basis - the forum aught to operate from whether it be the "theosophical ning" forum or the theos-talk forum. Should it be in accordance with the Original Program as it was given by HPB and others in 1875-1891? Or should it deviate from it, and if so why and in what manner?


M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Spirituality 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:46 AM
  Subject: theos-talk moderation on online forums


    
  Hi all,

  Let's face it: unmoderated online forums are a fiction. They don't exist. First of all there's spam. Then there's people who just can't seem to behave. No list functioning for actual people can afford to be unmoderated. 

  I've seen some of Frank's recent mails - which aren't let through onto this list - and they really do go too far. Sorry Frank, that's how I feel. 

  [I would not mention it publicly, but I guess we have to fight it all out - and this is also why the theosophical ning has gone private: hashing it out in public is not exactly good PR for the theosophical movement. Still, hashing out we need to do. Avoiding disagreements in the name of brotherhood just doesn't work. It only leads to blow ups later. The challenge is to disagree politely, staying friendly. Not accusing each other of black magic and things like that.]

  So MKR: I agree with the choice to moderate Frank, however it would be better not to pretend that this is an unmoderated list. I don't think there's an Adyar conspiracy going on here, however I do feel that perhaps you're moderating people who disagree with Radha a bit more vigorously than those who don't. Being impartial is difficult. However, in your position it's something you do have to try. 

  And for those worrying about it: I'm still reading along here occasionally. Just as often as I have in the past. I've merely deleted the links TO this list from my website. They'll go back when I think claims and facts are once again in correspondence.

  Katinka

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Sampsa Kuukasjarvi" <sampsa.kuukasjarvi@...> wrote:
  >
  > My answer to Daniel's question is: I think we have gotten some answers from MKR. That is good. Some suspicions against him were misunderstandings.
  > 
  > I wouldn't like to beat our new moderator and hard worker more (he has had hard times lately), but I have to, because he has so loud required transparency from the TS Sections.
  > 
  > What still worries me is that MKR acts like a politician, who is afraid to get caught from a lie. My impression is that he doesn't answer questions properly, but is beating around the bush. For instance: he has not said if he deleted those posts or not. What he says is that the messages are safe elsewhere and that it is possible for posters to delete their messages.
  > 
  > This is a matter of trust and principle. If he has made a mistake, I think he should admit it, and we would be happy. MKR's own advise to Tiger Woods on this list was that Tiger should have acknowledges his sins immediately, because the situation got worse due to silence. Isn't there a similar situation in here?
  > 
  > Besides, one problem is that at least Preethi and Frank have been censored here while MKR has all the time said that this list is unmoderated. If the reasons for censoring were that the messages were too personal, okay, but let us not talk about an unmoderated list then.
  > 
  > See:
  > 
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/53943
  > 
  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/54478
  > 
  > Sampsa
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel" <danielhcaldwell@> wrote:
  > >
  > > The link below gives the most current view Katinka
  > > has of Theos-Talk:
  > > 
  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/54524
  > > 
  > > My question is:
  > > 
  > > Have all those concerns NOW been answered and addressed and
  > > is Katinka reconsidering her view as expressed in the above post?
  > > 
  > > I bring this up not to put Katinka on the spot but since some of her views were also expressed by other Theos-Talk subscribers, I am thinking outloud:
  > > 
  > > Have all the concerns and questions as given in her posting been adequately answered and addressed?
  > > 
  > > Daniel
  > >
  >



  

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