Theos-Talk Archives (August 2010 Message tt00140)

Morten,

I am referring to the politics of global inhumanity to man. That you and others 
have issue with the administrators, particularly on content, censorship and/or 
advocacy ofÂindividual past theosophists continues to ignite the politics which 
you say should not be part of the theosophical agenda. 

>
>Can you answer what your real core issue is? What is your agenda? If TS Adyar 
>opposes your personalÂprinciples, you should know, that any attempt toÂbring it 
>into line with your thinking is futile. One cannot change aÂhyena into a 
>leopard. To expect those that see value in the teachings of Besant, Leadbeater, 
>Bailey, Krishnamurti to abandon them because they do not adhere to Blavatsky's 
>teachings is naive.ÂÂTheosophy, like it or not, built upon the acceptance of 
>their works, rightly or wrongly, even with its christian bent, and to now expect 
>an admission of error in teaching would for them mean to admit the infallibility 
>of theosophy and its administrators. To place Blavatsky as the one and only 
>true advocate of Theosophy would require gargantuan moral courage to do so, 
>andÂmy personal belief is that there are no gargantuan personalities with this 
>strength of character, nor is there any desire to change the status quo.
>
>I am hoping that Theos Talk was not established as the David to overthrow the 
>Goliath Theosophy but as a forum for anyone interested in discussing the 
>teachings of Blavatsky, Besant, Leadbeater, Krishnamurti, Bailey, etc etc, pro 
>orÂagainst. It is the individual that must decide which teacher they wish to 
>follow. Yes, it irks me, that Blavatsky has been given secondary status at 
>Adyar, but she herself, walked away, without any attempt to discredit those she 
>left behind.ÂÂÂWe have the same choice. That Adyar is the flagship for 
>Theosophy but not for Blavatsky is not our concern. 
>
>
>Blavatsky stated that all theosophists should rid themselvesÂof its priests can 
>only be accomplished byÂindividuals that see priests in the belfry. If they do 
>not, thenÂkicking the horse will only result in the kicker living with a 
>veryÂsore leg!
>
>CassÂÂÂÂÂ
>
>ÂÂ 
>
>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@__-RxOT4SoUGf4fCwrqlIfzFUJwfc1GSMBtEmnAOM80ZCAPnfLtONrTU0GtzpWZ47Catjh21A933HtWGDa_yQfKrQqG0.yahoo.invalid>
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, 11 August, 2010 2:40:55 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven 
>Strategy
>
>Â 
>Ordinary lawmaking politics was as you know not a part of the Original Programe 
>in the TS in 1875-1891.
>Even later I believe Jinarjadasa had to stop political articles in the 
>theosophical Magazine. But about that time, Annie Besant and others had already 
>begun to get the TS hopelessly entangled with the political party the Indian 
>National Congress - virtually a deathblow to the theopshical doctrines and the 
>frame of the Original Programe given in 1875-1891 in the Constitution and Rules.
>
>So I will have to ask you, why you insist on putting emphasis on lies and decit 
>- instead of seeking to end the strifes of the world religions - and - the study 
>of the INNER man as the original programe aimed at?
>Altruism is central to the original programe of the TS, should this now be 
>exchanged with something else - and the original TS be called a political 
>organisation?
>
>M. Sufilight
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Cass Silva 
>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:21 AM
>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven 
>Strategy
>
>Hi Morten,
>I'm over all the internal politics - but I believe we should be addressing 
>global politics from a TS perspective.
>
>Cass
>
>>
>>From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@__-RxOT4SoUGf4fCwrqlIfzFUJwfc1GSMBtEmnAOM80ZCAPnfLtONrTU0GtzpWZ47Catjh21A933HtWGDa_yQfKrQqG0.yahoo.invalid>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tue, 10 August, 2010 3:46:01 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven 
>>Strategy
>>
>> 
>>Are theosophists of late being concerned with politics?
>>In the old days the Original Programe was against it. Why this deviation today 

>>year 2010?
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Govert Schuller 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven 
>>Strategy
>>
>>Dear John,
>>
>>Yes, the Schuman/Bezemov material is very revealing. His interview with Edward 

>>Griffin is also available on youtube and google videos. 
>>
>>
>>The fact that he worked as a KGB agent in India might be of interest to 
>>Theosophists. 
>>
>>
>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916#
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_xdBnFPqOI&feature=PlayList&p=4CDAB99FAB5980BA&index=0
>>
>>
>>
>>BTW, Griffin started recently Project Red Pill: 
>>http://www.realityzone.com/prp.html
>>
>>Govert
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Augoeides-222@pTVOHNjpMihB2rruJ2hRX2LEZtOQKfDmW3KJRjFZdkZdme4uyC-Ub37gmvphmRxQI3EKSxuK7NAHhZDEshsxVg.yahoo.invalid 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven 
>>Strategy
>>
>>Govert, 
>>Thanks much for the important posts from you and your links to your articles. I 
>
>>have bookmarked alomost every single link in them and will be reading for 
>>months! I especially liked the New Zealand Researcher Interview about the 
>>history of the Chicago Communists party and ilk, I was born and raised there (on 
>>
>>the South side) so i can really relate to it all. I did notice that he made no 

>>mention of that mentor Saul David Lewinsky and the book "Rule for Radicals- A 
>>Pragmatic Primary for Practical Radicals". Some of the things mentioned have 
>>taken place and become fact. Also I skimmed the titles about the G20 and a new 

>>Intl. Currency, the Admin. has in it's new Statute created a new Dept. named the 
>>
>>"Office of the Currency" which will monitor and regulate the new social order 
>>"Transformation. Also mention was made of certain "code words" that have been 
>>used. The acceptance speech was made and over his shoulder was the Greek "Temple 
>>
>>of Apollo" a serect display especially created for the "Apollo Alliance" 
>>benefit. 
>>
>>
>>Anatoliy Galitsyn isn't the only worthy former KGB there is another thta has 
>>extremely important instructive Video's online "Thomas Schumann" alias "Yuri 
>>Bezmenov" an expatriate has 10 video's online that instruct about the cardinal 

>>Stages and Elements used for the conquest and revoluntionary objectives. Google 
>
>>or Yahoo video search "Thomas Schuman - "Secrets of Communism" and in watching 

>>relate to the current actions of the now and the last several decades. 
>>
>>
>>In Schuman's videos describe Four Critical Stages of Revoluntrionary Change that 
>>
>>are required to successfully Communize a Nation: 
>>
>>
>>Thomas Schumann KGB Propaganda Expert described four stages that must be 
>>accomplished 
>>
>>
>>Stages of Subversion: 
>>
>>1.Demoralization 15-25 years maturation period 
>>2.Destabilization 
>>3.Crisis 
>>4. Normalization( the 1948 Czech process) 
>>
>>A. The "Elements " utilized to progress the goal are: 
>>
>>Activism using: 
>>1. Religion - The Christian - Marxist Projectas one example 
>>2.Education 
>>3. Social Life 
>>4.Power Structure 
>>5. Labor Relations - Unions 
>>6.Law and Order 
>>
>>Yuri Bezmenov - 
>>>>>http://www.4shared.com/file/79865078/dbf057bs/World_Thought_Police_Yuri_Bezmenov.html<<<
>>>>>
>> 
>>
>>>>>Muckity.org<<< is a fantastic tool for discovering interactive relational 
>>>>>mapping between persons: 
>>>>>
>>
>>2008 Obama Presidential Campaign 
>>
>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/2008-Barack-Obama-presidential-campaign/5004664.muckety<<<
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>
>>@008 & 2004 Senate Campaigns 
>>
>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/Query?name=Obama+Campaign&prev=Obama+Campaign&SearchResult=5029144&SearchResult=5004664&graph=MucketyMap<<<
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>
>>George Soros 
>>
>>>>>http://www.muckety.com/George-Soros/4166.muckety<<< 
>>
>>The Truth about George Soros 
>>
>>>>>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=the+truth+about+george+soros&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=<<<
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>
>>John 
>>
>>----- Original Message -----s ,emtion have taken place and become From: "Govert 
>
>>Schuller" <schuller@PrjuS27JSDK4bc_1o_jtqvkJhUq0TDSdgrKOuzx1bchLtZT2yunztPon8Am9viawCsw6ZbAKMx8ZcyYxpA.yahoo.invalid> 
>>
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:13:29 AM 
>>Subject: theos-talk The Angleton-Golytsin Thesis and the Cloward-Piven Strategy 
>
>
>>
>>Dear John, 
>>
>>Very glad to see a fellow referring to the Golytsin thesis. I always thought it 
>
>>was a most reasonable and fruitfull framework to evaluate world politics and 
>>economics. 
>>
>>
>>It basically states that the Russians and Chinese have been strategically linked 
>>
>>since the Chinese communist takeover in 1949 and have been deceiving the West 
>>ever since. Glasnost, Perestroika and the liberalization of East Europe were 
>>just theatrics in service of a larger plan. 
>>
>>
>>But this deception could only have been pulled off by a fifth column in the West 
>>
>>of fellow travellers, hidden agents and especially think tanks like the Council 
>
>>on Foreign Relations. 
>>
>>
>>Within this framework it also makes sense to evaluate Obama's policies as 
>>implementing the so-called Cloward-Piven Strategy of intensifying crises to 
>>justify the change of society into a more socialist mold. 
>>
>>
>>As I've stated before, all those in the Krishnamurti, Theosophical and Ascended 
>
>>Master movements should take this very serious. 
>>
>>
>>But, don't take my word and do your homework. I have assembled throughout the 
>>years relevant articles and sources and introduced them with my own 
>>understanding of the many complex issues involved. 
>>
>>
>>The Abiding Communist Threat in its Open and Hidden Manifestations 
>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/commiethreat.htm 
>>
>>The Abiding Threat: The Ongoing Validity of the Angleton-Golytsin Thesis 
>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/parapolitics/AbidingThreat2009.htm 
>>
>>Sliding into VGGD (Very Great Global Depression) 
>>http://www.alpheus.org/html/Economy/SlidingIntoVGGD.htm 
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Augoeides-222@pTVOHNjpMihB2rruJ2hRX2LEZtOQKfDmW3KJRjFZdkZdme4uyC-Ub37gmvphmRxQI3EKSxuK7NAHhZDEshsxVg.yahoo.invalid 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:17 AM 
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed 
>>
>>Chuck, 
>>Well, there are many views about why things happen. Nelson Mandela was a 
>>communist revoluntionary who organized and promoted the overthrow of the 
>>establishment 
>>
>>government and was jailed for it, later, due to activism he won his release and 
>
>>got a Nobel "Peace" Prize. Ghandi was primarily successful in terms of the 
>>British due the the fact that they possessed integrity, character, and strong 
>>moral and ethical tenets which disarmed them from using the tactics that Jengis 
>
>>Khan applied , Stalin applied, Mao applied or Hitler applied. In some case 
>>virtue is a deficit that insures defeat when facing an unprincipled enemy. As 
>>for good old Gorby, it ain't what is seemed to be. Why in the world did the US 

>>Gov. host good old Gorby and provide free offices at the Military base named the 
>>
>>Presidio here in California? He created his American Fondation that hooked up 
>>with a multitude of activists groups here. Read "New Lies for Old" and "The 
>>Peretroika Deception" by Anatoliy Galitsyn, former KBG and Head of soviet 
>>Espionage for an eye opener on the real game.Remeber that Newsweek issue with 
>>the cover that proclaimed "We are All Socialists Now!"??? Lol 
>>
>>
>>John 
>>
>>---- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "charles cosimano" < Drpsionic@m2AMMf-7bt7aa3RMic72mY3S9FsxtVHn0nifXzKrJXR1NWN6SIvrWaFvT3neokdthbeSWLTECrQAhU4z.yahoo.invalid > 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Saturday, August 7, 2010 5:55:06 PM 
>>Subject: Re: theos-talk Re: Action needed 
>>
>>But those were actually the result of weakness on the part of the other side. 
>>The South Africans did not kill Nelson Mandela out of hand. The British did not 
>
>>simply shoot Ghandi. And the Berlin Wall fell because the Soviet Empire could 
>>not survive and Gorbachev lost his nerve. 
>>
>>
>>Chuck the Heretic 
>>
>>http://www.charlescosimano.com 
>>
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@3TydQwXxAWyFjUHK7eOd4iGdlUPX67fRZZcCJIg2aEMNOpVFb1dDdL3JmHWKi9_8Wd26Q2uCPCfEd28J.yahoo.invalid > 
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 10:39 am 
>>Subject: theos-talk Re: Action needed 
>>
>>"Never" is a long time. Many extraordinary and inconceivable changes have 
>>occurred just in our lifetime. 
>>
>>
>>The ending of apartheid in South Africa; bringing down the Berlin wall; the 
>>British leaving India. 
>>
>>
>>For whatever the impetus, these were monumental changes, thought impossible up 

>>until the time they occurred. 
>>
>>
>>And in any event, what's the alternative? Do nothing, say nothing? 
>>
>>I think not, but granted the action must be as wise as we can determine. 
>>
>>Never surrender to tyrany...never. 
>>
>>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com , Drpsionic@... wrote: 
>>> 
>>> And they still may never give a damn. How do you get past the mute button? 
>>> 
>>> Chuck the Heretic 
>>> 
>>> _www.charlescosimano.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:22:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>> nhcareyta@... writes: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We wait a little longer, try a little harder...and never give up. 
>>> 
>>> --- In 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) , Drpsionic@ wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > And if the local constituents really don't give a damn? 
>>> > 
>>> > Chuck the Heretic 
>>> > 
>>> > www.charlescosimano.com 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:20:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>>> > nhcareyta@ writes: 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Dear John, Erica and All 
>>> > 
>>> > Thank you for your responses and actions. 
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks to the internet and its popularity these issues are now being 
>>> aired 
>>> > throughout the broader community. 
>>> > Similarly, migration and asylum seeking are bringing certain cultural 
>>> > differences to the attention of powerful western forces through 
>>> community 
>>> > outrage and protest. 
>>> > Already there are broad based, community discussions on highly sensitive 
>>> > cultural and religious practices. From female circumcision to the 
>>> wearing of 
>>> > the burka in all its forms, and from certain kinds of torture to 
>>> stonings, 
>>> > all these matters are now being discussed internationally with many 
>>> human 
>>> > rights groups increasing the task of community education and action. 
>>> > Community act_ion equates to votes and it will eventually take a 
>>> foolhardy 
>>> > western politician to ignore the voices of their local constituents. 
>>> > The west can then_ bring greater pressure to bear on recalcitrant 
>>> regimes. 
>>> > 
>>> > Of course politics and economics are powerful forces and yes, these are 
>>> > very early steps, but with the use of the internet and its opportunities 
>>> to 
>>> > act I can see the early signs of a broad based, international shift in 
>>> > consciousness, such as we have never seen before. 
>>> > 
>>> > Kind regards 
>>> > Nigel 
>>> > 
>>> > --- In 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ 
>
>
>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 

>>> __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ 
>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>
>
>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , Augoeides-222@ wrote: 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Nigel, 
>>> > > There are even video's of stoning online on Google and Yahoo video's. 
>>> > There have been numerous articles in the last few years about retrograde 
>>> 6th 
>>> > century abominable punishments according the the conventions of Sharia 
>>> Law 
>>> > of Islamic faith . One was a young teenager who had relation with a boy 
>>> and 
>>> > they stoned her to death for the family "honor". There are Islamic 
>>> > fundamentalist Personal Channels on Justin.tv ("Raah") and a few others 
>>> that show 
>>> > poor victum's having their fingers cut off while being tightly held by 
>>> > several men, Men being led to a grassy area for decapitition and the 
>>> head 
>>> > proudly displayed sitting on the chest of the dead body. I posted a few 
>>> of the 
>>> > 'Family honor" murder articles on this forum a while back. I find these 
>>> > idea's, concepts, rationalizations and practices abhorrent, abominable 
>>> and 
>>> > psychotic abberation in this modern world of today. The Taliban are 
>>> perfect 
>>> > example of terrorist suppressive_ degenerate religionism and the Wa habi 
>>> of_ 
>>> > Saudi Arabia was a mentor to them. In England they are requesting the 
>>> right 
>>> > to install Sharia Law parelell and eqeal to the British Justice 
>>> Institute 
>>> > itself. people never studied the History of conquest by "perfusion" and 
>>> > "suffusion" and population displacement that is evidenced in History as 
>>> a social 
>>> > passive technique long established and practiced. A best present time is 
>>> > China and Tibet where China is actively practising this historic method 
>>> with 
>>> > a vengeance. One morning in a future we may wake up to a dreadful 
>>> reality 
>>> > that slowly insidiously pervaded our social space and beingness, beware 
>>> my 
>>> > friends of greeks bearing gifts. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > John 
>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > > From: "Erica L. Georgiades" <eletzerich@> 
>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ 
>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: 
>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ 
>>>
>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>
>
>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ 
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 7:50:53 AM 
>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Dear Nigel, 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Death by stoning because of adultery also exists in Afghanistan and 
>>> > Somalia. 
>>> > > From time to time I am signing petitions against such barbarism, this 
>>> is 
>>> > not the 
>>> > > first. I remember some years ago a similar case in Somalia, her name 
>>> was 
>>> > Aisho 
>>> > > ...dont remember the surname. And now Sakineh... the poor women has a 
>>> > son and 
>>> > > a daughter and is only 42 years old. Also I just read that in Iran 
>>> there 
>>> > is 
>>> > > also another 10 women waiting death-roll sentence, for the same 
>>> reason. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Erica 
>>> > > 
>>> > > ________________________________ 
>>> > > From: nhcareyta < nhcareyta@ > 
>>> > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ 
>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: 
>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ 
>>>
>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>
>
>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ 
>>> > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 5:21:19 PM 
>>> > > Subject: Re: theos-talk Action needed 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Dear Erica 
>>> > > 
>>> > > In spite of the considerable political considerations you mention, all 
>>> > of which 
>>> > > are accurate, there have been some quite remarkable social and 
>>> political 
>>> > changes 
>>> > > over recent times. Avaaz is one organisation making real headway in 
>>> some 
>>> > similar 
>>> > > situations, so all may not be lost. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > In any event, if we do nothing then certainly nothing will happen! So 
>>> > thank you 
>>> > > for contacting some of your fellow members. If everyone on t/talk does 
>>> > the same 
>>> > > a snowball reaction may occur. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > Kind regards 
>>> > > Nigel 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) _ 
>>> ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: 
>>>_theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ 
>>>
>>> > (mailto:_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>
>
>>> (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) ) , "Erica" <eletzerich@> wrote: 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Dear Nigel, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > This is most barbarian thing, which is unacceptable. I think the 
>>> > matter is in 
>>> > > >fact an international matter and not only of influence of one country 
>>> > or 
>>> > > >another. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > The United Nations could also interfere if they want. Such kind of 
>>> law 
>>> > should 
>>> > > >be completely abolished. Today is Sakineh imprisoned and condemned to 
>>> > death, 
>>> > > >tomorrow will be another Sakineh and the thing will go on and on. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > If there is not a strong international interference, I consider 
>>> almost 
>>> > > >impossible a diplomatic solution for this problem to be found. If 
>>> Iran 
>>> > opens one 
>>> > > >exception, eventually they would need to change their law. And when 
>>> one 
>>> > has to 
>>> > > >do with Islamic laws, is as if someone puts the hand in a "bag full 
>>> of 
>>> > cats". 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > So such a hope regarding Brazil and Turkey to find a diplomatic 
>>> > solution, are 
>>> > > >vain in my opinion. In my opinion all the internati_onal community 
>>> > should raise 
>>> > > >their voice and interfere, als_o stating that such a law should be 
>>> > abolished. 
>>> > > >But unfortunately this wont happen, because there is no oil or money 
>>> > involved. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > See the case of Aung San Suu kyi, years imprisoned by the military 
>>> > regime or 
>>> > > >Burma. Nothing was done to help the people of Burma or to release 
>>> her, 
>>> > except 
>>> > > >endless diplomatic talks which resulted probably in the fact that she 
>>> 
>>> > is still 
>>> > > >alive. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Anyway I will send some e-mails to some members of the Brazilian 
>>> > Section I 
>>> > > >know. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > Erica 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) 
>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ ( 
>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>>
>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ , 
>>> "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote: 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Dear Erica 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Yes, that is correct. That is why I asked whether there are some 
>>> > wealthy 
>>> > > >Adyar Society Brazilian members able to bring extra influence on 
>>> their 
>>> > > >President, perhaps to make another, more strident attempt. 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > That would surely be Theosophy in action. 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > Regards 
>>> > > > > Nigel 
>>> > > > > 
>>> > > > > --- In _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ http://www.charlescosimano.com/_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) _) 
>>> > _ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) __theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ 
>>> (mailto: _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) __ (mailto:_ ( 
>>>http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>>
>>> _theos-talk@yahoogroups.com _ (mailto: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com ) _) _ , 
>>> "Erica L. Georgiades" 
>>> > <eletzerich@> 
>>> > > wrote: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Yesterday I read on Washington Post that, Lula the Brazilian 
>>> > President, 
>>> > > >already 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > requested to the President of Iran to release her and give her 
>>> > asylum in 
>>> > > >Brazil. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > The request of the President of Brazil was denied. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Erica 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > ________________________________ 
>>> > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@> 
>>> > > > > > To: _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>> > > > > > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 3:32:23 PM 
>>> > > > > > Subject: theos-talk Action needed 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Dear All 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Perhaps some wealthy Adyar Society Brazilian members can bring 
>>> > additional 
>>> > > > > > pressure to bear on their President to address this outrageous 
>>> > issue? 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > "Dear Friends, 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Global pressure on Iran has saved Sakineh from death by stoning, 
>>> > but within 
>>> > > >days 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > she could still be hanged. More pressure from leaders in Brazil 
>>> > and Turkey, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > Iran's allies, are Sakineh's last hope. Donate below to fund an 
>>> > emergency 
>>> > > >ad 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > campaign in Brazil and Turkey in the next 72 hours: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Sakineh Ashtiani could be executed for adultery in Iran in the 
>>> > next few 
>>> > > >days, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > but two men could still save her -- the leaders of Brazil and 
>>> > Turkey. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > President Lula and Prime Minister Erdo&#287;an are powerful 
>>> allies 
>>> > and 
>>> > > >mediators 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > with Iran w_ho enjoy great respect there, and both countries 
>>> have 
>>> > condemned 
>>> > > >the 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > case. Now, we need to push them to deploy all their diplomatic 
>>> > forces and 
>>> > > > > > persuade Iran to free Sakineh and stop stoning forever. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Avaaz is launching an emergency ad campaign in influential 
>>> > newspapers in 
>>> > > >Turkey 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > and Brazil urging them to press Iran for clemency and justice. 
>>> The 
>>> > ads will 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > deliver our half-million strong petition, reach political 
>>> circles 
>>> > and 
>>> > > >directly 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > appeal to Lula's and Erdo&#287;an's leadership and moral 
>>> > authority. If 
>>> > > >5,000 of 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > us donate even a small amount in the next 72 hours, we'll make a 
>>> > powerful 
>>> > > > > > statement before it's too late. This may be Sakineh's last hope 
>>> -- 
>>> > click 
>>> > > >here to 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > chip in: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > _> _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
>>> _ https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl__ ( 
>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_ 
>>>
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>>>
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Sakineh's sentence is a farcical travesty of justice. She was 
>>> > sentenced to 
>>> > > >death 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > by stoning for allegedly having relations with other men -- 
>>> years 
>>> > after her 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > husband had passed away, despite stoning having been outlawed in 
>>> > Iran, and 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > > > despite her not being able to speak the language of her trial. 
>>> Her 
>>> > two 
>>> > > >children 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > launched a campaign to save her life, and generated a worldwide 
>>> > uproar, 
>>> > > > > > including over 554,000 Avaaz members. Feeling the pressure, the 
>>> > Iranian 
>>> > > > > > government revoked the stoning, but the execution sentence 
>>> stands. 
>>> > 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Tension has been rising in Iran since the Sakineh case gained 
>>> > attention -- 
>>> > > >the 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > regime has threatened to arrest her children for speaking out 
>>> and 
>>> > has 
>>> > > >issued an 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > arrest warrant against Sakineh's lawyer. He has now gone into 
>>> > hiding and 
>>> > > >his 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > family-members have been rounded-up. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > But Lula and Erdo&#287;an have great respect in Iran and can 
>>> > influence the 
>>> > > 
>>> > > > > > regime. And they listen to us. Lula had said that he would not 
>>> get 
>>> > involved 
>>> > > >in 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > this case. But after an aide brought his attention to the 
>>> massive 
>>> > online 
>>> > > > > > campaign, he changed his mind, offering Sakineh asylum and 
>>> > prompting 
>>> > > >Iranian 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > authorities to announce that the case would be quickly 
>>> resolved. 
>>> > We know 
>>> > > >Lula 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > listens to Avaaz campaigns -- in the last year, despite 
>>> powerful 
>>> > > >opposition, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > members in Brazil have helped persuade Lula to sign off on a law 
>>> 
>>> > to protect 
>>> > > >the 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > Amazon and a bold anti-corruption law. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > During the last two weeks, over 554,000 of us have signed the 
>>> > petition to 
>>> > > >Save 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > Sakineh and end stoning in Iran. We only have days left to 
>>> > persu_ade Lula 
>>> > > >and 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > Erdo&#287;an to act -- and it may be our last chance to save 
>>> > Sakineh. Let's 
>>> > > >each 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > pitch in a small amount and _make sure they hear our call to 
>>> > leadership: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_ 
>>>
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>>>
>>> > _ 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> 
>>> > > > > > Sakineh's case has outraged the entire world by the sheer scale 
>>> of 
>>> > its 
>>> > > >brutal, 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > nonsensical injustice. But in our fight for one woman we make a 
>>> > powerful 
>>> > > > > > statement about women, and people, everywhere. In standing up 
>>> for 
>>> > one 
>>> > > >person, we 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > stand up for everyone's right to justice. 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Sakineh's children's have sent out a last plea: "Do not allow 
>>> our 
>>> > nightmare 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > become a reality, Today, when nearly all options have reached 
>>> > dead-ends, we 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > resort to you. Please help our mother return home!" Click here 
>>> to 
>>> > answer 
>>> > > >their 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > > > call, and get Erdo&#287;an and Lula to do the same: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > _ (_ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>> > __ ( http://www.charlescosimano.com/ ) 
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>>>https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_sakinehs_life/?vl_ ) _ (_ 
>>>
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>>>
>>> > _ 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > With hope and determination, 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > Alice, Pascal, Alice W, Ricken, David, and the Avaaz Team 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > SOURCES: 
>>> > > > > > 
>>> > > > > > The Guardian, "Iran stoning woman offered asylum by Brazil's 
>>> > President 
>>> > > >Lula": 
>>> > > > 
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