Theos-Talk Archives (July 2010 Message tt00119)

HI,

Yes, I don't know where my correspondents got the 'several mail adresses' thing from. I see you posting from one yahoo id - ramados226. 

This is really not the main issue I was trying to address though. Your semi-anonymity just ads to distrust of you in certain quarters. 

The censorship thing is the issue people are really concerned about. 

I do think it's rather typical that you choose to address the side issue, instead of the main one. 

But now that we're talking about the side issue: any reason your yahoo id is hidden? For someone claiming that we need more transparency in the TS, semi-anonymity just doesn't look so good. 

Katinka

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> All the posts for theos-talk and other mailing lists (I participate in
> several non theosophical as well) are from just ONE email address -
> MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM,  while the name attached may be mkr or
> ramadoss226(Yahoo ID) depending on where it originates; my computer or yahoo
> web interface.
> 
> I just wanted to clarify so that there is no mis-perception in anyone's
> mind. I hope my msg accomplished it.
> 
> MKR
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Erica L. Georgiades
> <eletzerich@...>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Doss,
> >
> > I don't think you should justify how many e-mails you have. At this point
> > there
> > is a delusion about conspiracy going on in the T.S. Such idea unfortunately
> > is
> > promoted by some leaders. In fact I have been following your posts and you
> > have
> > a style of your own to write, so far I haven't noticed a change on it.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: MKR <mkr777@... <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 3:57:31 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Comments on Independence etc
> >
> >
> > Your response is well appreciated. Let me add a few short comments.
> >
> > Many in the theosophical circles know my name and that I live in San
> > Antonio, Texas. Everyone knows that for my postings I use the email address
> > - MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM. I know of no other theosophist with my name
> > Ramadoss.
> >
> > When the message is sent from gmail it will show my name as MKR. When I use
> > the yahoo web interface to post a message, the email address is still
> > MKR777_at_GMAIL.COM whereas my yahoo name [ramadoss226] shows .
> >
> > I sign my messages as MKR or Ramadoss. Long time ago, I used my real nick
> > name -Doss- and I no longer use it on msgs posted here and elsewhere to
> > avoid confusion between my name and that of another well known and well
> > respected theosophist who lives in my city and whose name is Doss.
> >
> > As for the list and fairness of its management, I leave it to the
> > subscribers to judge. As is always the case, not everyone will agree with
> > every decision one takes in life.
> >
> > By the way the response you quoted on your contact with Eldon was his and
> > not mine. I hope it was a typo.
> >
> > MKR
> >
> > There is no religion higher than truth
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Spirituality <mail@...<mail%40katinkahesselink.net>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi MKR,
> > >
> > > That's great to hear, but not really what people are concerned about I
> > > think.
> > >
> > > Let's go back a bit. At the Theosophical World Congress, and through
> > email
> > > in the days after it, several people expressed their concern to me that
> > your
> > > management of theos-talk was not impartial. That is: you have sensored
> > > people who had perfectly decent contributions to make (Preetthi and
> > Govert
> > > and perhaps more) and seemed informed extraordinarily quickly of any
> > > movement on the part of Radha/Pedro etc.
> > >
> > > Hearing that, and thinking that Eldon was still ultimately in charge of
> > > this list, I asked him to use his authority to get the list back on
> > track,
> > > or close it. Whichever he preferred. He probably contacted you - and the
> > > below is your response.
> > >
> > > Personally I don't give a darn whether you make money on theosophy or
> > not.
> > > Obviously it is easier to be critical for those who aren't in the employ
> > of
> > > the TS, but that doesn't mean that those who aren't - are necessarily
> > > impartial. They're just financially independent of the TS - which is the
> > > situation for most of us here.
> > >
> > > For me, and several of my correspondents - the question is: why has
> > > theos-talk stopped being the open forum it used to be?
> > >
> > > And more specifically: how come you use several email addresses to post
> > on
> > > here? What are you trying to hide? In fact, the speculation has come up
> > that
> > > MKR hides several people on several continents.
> > >
> > > Now I'm all for freedom and would have preferred for
> > theosophical.ning.comto
> > >stay open for everybody and the search engines. Glad some of us set up
> > > theosophy.net last year: it IS open (just checked).
> > >
> > > However, I'm also all for accountability. The internet gives us all the
> > > opportunity to hide behind screen names and loose all fairness in the
> > > process. No need to be polite or just when nobody knows who you are.
> > >
> > > Now - in case this gets censored - I will be saving the text of this on
> > my
> > > pc. I don't really want to post it elsewhere, but I do think the below
> > has
> > > made a response necessary.
> > >
> > > I will also be deleting any links to theos-talk on my own sites BTW as it
> > > doesn't seem like this forum serves any purpose to the theosophical
> > movement
> > > any more.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Katinka Hesselink
> > >
> > > Disclosure: The Dutch TS paid me for their recent redesign, so I guess
> > I'm
> > > not independent by your definition. That hasn't stopped me from speaking
> > out
> > > where I see fit though.
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, MKR
> > > <mkr777@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All organized entities such as governments, business corporations,
> > > spiritual
> > > > organizations, and even individual leaders and politicians are always
> > on
> > > the
> > > > look out for opportunities to influence the individuals such as
> > > membership
> > > > and even media people to either keep them in line or influence them to
> > > act
> > > > or write in ways supporting the activities and action of the
> > > organizations
> > > > and its leaders or even act as cat�s paws to handle touchy issues.
> > Many
> > > > times, clever individuals and leaders will stay back in the background
> > > and
> > > > let others do their dirty work.
> > > >
> > > > In organizations, range of techniques used may be outright giving money
> > > > grants, reimbursing the travel expenses, offer platforms to lecture or
> > > write
> > > > or even help them to move up in the leadership ladder. In theosophical
> > > > circles, due to the common membership in other officially unconnected
> > > > organizations, the fear of paying a price will keep writers and
> > lecturers
> > > in
> > > > line with official wishes.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why I bring this up is because it is necessary to clarify my
> > > > personal position in all activities and writings related to
> > theosophical
> > > and
> > > > other issues. Firstly, as I have mentioned several times before, I
> > > maintain
> > > > my independence because of several reasons. I am not looking forward to
> > > hold
> > > > any elected office in future and I have an independent lively hood
> > which
> > > > does not depend on TS or any of its members. Also in the past I have
> > > never
> > > > received any manner of financial support from TS or any of its members.
> > > >
> > > > I am reiterating the above so that the newbees are very clear as to
> > where
> > > I
> > > > come from and the independence gives some credibility to what I write
> > on
> > > > this and other theosophical forums. In today�s Internet environment,
> > > > transparent and open clarification of the independence issue is good
> > for
> > > > anyone in the cyberspace - writers, participants, website owners,
> > website
> > > > operators etc. I hope the above clarification helps.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > > There is No Religion Higher Than Truth
> > > >
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