Theos-Talk Archives (July 2010 Message tt00006)

I don't like it when someone badmouth the Theosophical society'leaders such as Ms Besant, Mr. Leadbeater, and Mr. Krisnamurti who wrote many books that I like to read. I feel that the person who badmouthed those people know too little to understand and talk about those writers/leaders!

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--- On Mon, 6/28/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World What is extreme?
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:00 PM
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> others. When comments become too personal, then it turns
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> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Frank Reitemeyer
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> <ringding2010@t-online.de>wrote:
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> > mkr, I really do not understand, what you write.
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> > To me my statement is the most normal and most natural
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> > the realm of theosophy.
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> > What is "extreme"? And why?
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> > On the contrary, I find statements extreme, that saw
> doubt on the little
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> > ones, the chelas and the messengers.
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> > A group which has delevoped virtues and paramitas, has
> a good, natural and
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> > healthy aura, good group karma.
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> > This good karma **forces** the masters of wisdom to
> help. I know it.
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> > On the other hand, a group, which sticks on the
> psychic, emontional and
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> > lower intellectual (bear in mind the many teachers in
> the TM!) level,
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> > creates bad karma and no master is allowed to help.
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> > To me it is a matter of fact.
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> > Also a matter of fact, that in most theosophical
> circles (at least I know
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> > of at first hand or from trusted friends) HPB is
> combatted, conscious and
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> > unconscious. Sins are praised as tolerance, progress
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> > liberal gay gender brainwashing.
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> > Including the poison of absolute relativism of the
> Krishnamurti-ites, no
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> > matter, if K himself was such a relativist, as I think
> he was.
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> > Although he had some good points, he was not a
> theosophist, as he did
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> > nothing what HPB was working for.
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> > He did much good as an antidot to the false and fake
> claims of Besant and
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> > Leadbeater, but not more.
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> > One should bear in mind that the true successors of
> HPB were able to show
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> > and proof their pupils that they are able to receive
> divine powers, while in
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> > the Besant and Leadbeater pseudo theosophical cult
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> > communism and marxism) only rhetoric claims, only
> words, never deeds.
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> > Only blind believe. Their alleged chelas were picked
> up at night for an
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> > astral flight to the Maha Chohan, the Lord of the
> world, the logos at what
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> > else absurde nonsense, but the chelas had no knowledge
> about it. Besant and
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> > Leadbeater told it next morning at breakfast.
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> > And the same psycho terror was managed later on at
> Covina by the OSS false
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> > flag operations of Conger and Long, who persecuted the
> chelas of the
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> > Purucker, claiming that they, the lay chelas of the
> first degrees, are the
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> > true successors.
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> > I find it most extreme, that such black magic and
> Jesuitic machinations
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> > within the Theosophical Movement seem not to bother
> you.
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> > To me the present organizations like Adyar TS, ULT and
> Pasadena TS are the
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> > most extreme possible organizations against HPB.
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> > In that they are the true successor of the Vatican,
> which is the most
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> > extreme possible organization against Christ.
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> > And that is the reason why the present incompetent
> leaders of that
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> > organizations will not join internet, they want
> continue their augeas
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> > staples, continue prayer and sermonizing ("If you
> begin to think, master
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> > will make you ill!") instead of teaching.
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> > Such persons like Radha Burnier and John Algeo would
> be the first persons
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> > on my list, which I would kick ou, if I were President
> for a week.
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> > Because they destroy the spirit of HPB and replace it
> with cant, relativism
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> > and a good portion of mental confusion, which prevents
> spiritual insight.
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> > If Christians are known by their fruits, by what will
> theosophists be
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> > As my "extreme" statement says nothing more
> than the many statements of de
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> > Purucker in the 1920'ies and 1930'ies (compare
> his "Messages to
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> > Concentions"), were he said that around 1930 all
> theosophical groups have
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> > turned to the dark side, will you regard de
> Purucker's statements also as
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> > extreme?
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> > So what is the definition of extreme?
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> > Are all who remain tru to the spirit of HPB are
> extreme? Or
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> > fundamentalistic?
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> > I am really puzzled now.
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> > Frank
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: MKR
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:58 PM
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar School of Wisdom -
> 2010/11
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> > I think that this is a little bit going too far. While
> we may disagree on
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> > many things, it does no good to anyone in making
> extreme statements. There
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> > is much work to be done in today's world and
> individual theosophists are
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> > ones who can make a lot of contributions. Let us hope
> we all succeed in
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> > moving theosophy in the world of today.
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> > MKR
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> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Frank Reitemeyer
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> > <ringding2010@t-online.de
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> > I agree. Instead allowing the psychics, the liars, the
> perverts to rule
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> > wihtin the Theosophical Movement, the little one must
> be protected.
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> > For that a strong leader is needed. A strong leader is
> the result of good
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