Theos-Talk Archives (April 2010 Message tt00002)

A fine example and a very good reminder that an organization which cannot distinguish between ethical and unethical folks, perhaps, isn't, in reality, actually in a position to distinguish between true and false, which, in turn, highlights very well for us that Theosophy, today, may not be equipted to perform the tasks it was actually and orginially assigned.

I understand the concerns about money a/b money's the first thing you lose in a house and the last thing you lose in a home.


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
>
> The situation, if there is a cancellation of the TSA charter has more
> consequences. For example, when a lodge property is sold and the money kept
> at Wheaton, it is a money that belongs to the local city/community and the
> Trust, if it inherits it can do anything with it and not answerable to
> anyone and it would take a law suit to disgorge the money from the Trust.
> Usually, it is the attorney general of the states concerned who gets
> involved if a lot of money is at issue.
> 
> This is what happened in the Krishnamurti Trust and Rajagopal who headed the
> trust refused to disclose financial information even to Krishnamurti who was
> the sole beneficiary of the Trust. It took a law suit from the Attorney
> General and long drawn out litigation (and substantial legal expense) before
> the assets were pulled out and put into the new Trust.
> 
> By the way, about a decade ago, one of the Trustees of Krishnamurti trust
> was an officer of TSA and he was hiding his prior involvement with the
> Krishnamurti Trust and I hope he had not given any guidance to the then TSA
> board some of the things he learnt while being with Rajagopal.
> 
> Let us see what TS and TSA does in fixing the potential serious problem. It
> would require changing the bylaws of TSA and it has to come before the
> membership of TSA for approval.
> 
> MKR
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:09 AM, esapress@... <esapress@...>wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > "When the cat's away the mice will play" - these such matters are some of
> > the oldest stories in the book.
> >
> > The Founders aims and efforts were usurpted and twisted; it's simple and
> > obvious to see that those whom were moreorless tasked with the guardianship
> > (trustees if you prefer) have committed and connived great pretenses and
> > offenses upon the fundamental premise and precepts themselves. Myself, I
> > tend to like to call it the piggyback effect.
> >
> > The one thing Theosophy can and should be proud about is that it's actually
> > taken this long of a span of time for it to start weezing from all the
> > pollution.
> >
> > These such matters are always true with any system that attempts standards
> > such as earlier mentioned, wherein from that moment on there'll be a line to
> > the left angling to opportune, and to drag it on down. Best key for that of
> > course (imo) still is: 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall'...., these are old and
> > obvious stories, for example, just have a look at what's actually in yer box
> > and it'll be obvious whose fingers those are.
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, "Morten
> > Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear friends and MKR
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Thanks MKR.
> > >
> > > I found the following passage very interesting...
> > >
> > > THE BYLAWS OF
> > > THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
> > > IN AMERICA
> > > Revised as authorized by Referendum, November 1999
> > > "(b) The net earnings of the Theosophical Society in __________ are
> > devoted exclusively to religious, charitable, scientific, literary, and
> > educational purposes. No part of the net earnings of the Theosophical
> > Society in __________ shall inure to the benefit of, or be distributable to,
> > its members, directors, officers, or other private persons, except that the
> > Theosophical Society in _________ may pay reasonable compensation for
> > services rendered and make payments and distributions in furtherance of its
> > purposes set forth herein. No substantial part of the activities of the
> > corporation shall be the carrying on of propaganda, or otherwise attempting
> > to influence legislation and the corporation shall not participate in, or
> > intervene in (including the publishing or distribution of statements) any
> > political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office except as
> > authorized under the Internal Revenue Code. Notwithstanding any other
> > provision of these articles, the corporation shall not carry on any other
> > activities not permitted to be carried on (a) by a corporation exempt from
> > federal income tax under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code or
> > (b) by a corporation, contributions to which are deductible under Section
> > 170(c)(2) of the Internal Revenue Code."
> > > http://www.theosophical.org/local_groups/Bylaws_for%20voting.pdf
> > >
> > > Full Text Of The International Rules And Regulations; june 2009,
> > > "1. The name of the Association is The Theosophical Society.
> > > 2. The objects for which the Society is established are:
> > > I. To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without
> > distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour.
> > > II. To encourage the study of Comparative Religion, Philosophy and
> > Science.
> > > III. To investigate unexplained laws of Nature and the powers latent in
> > man.
> > > (a) The holding and management of all funds raised for the above objects.
> > > (b) The purchase or acquisition on lease or in exchange or on hire or by
> > gift or otherwise of any real or personal property, and any rights or
> > privileges necessary or convenient for the purposes of the Society.
> > > (c) The sale, improvement, management and development of all or any part
> > of the property of the Society.
> > > (d) The doing of all such things as are incidental or conducive to the
> > attainment of the above objects or any of them, including the founding and
> > maintenance of a library or libraries.
> > > 3. The names, addresses and occupations of the persons who are members
> > of, and form the first General Council which is the governing body of the
> > Society, are as follows:
> > >
> > > GENERAL COUNCIL"...
> > > http://joomla.theosophyforward.com/category/general-council/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > WHEN H. P. BLAVATSKY LIVED THINGS WERE VERY DIFFERENT
> > > The above can be compared with the Constitution and Rules for January
> > 1891, when HPB still was alive.
> > > And we wonder why no member in the TS ever has explained why the changes
> > was made, so that political views suddenly became allowed and empahsis on
> > Eastern and Aryan litteraturewas removed.
> > >
> > > >The AIMS of the Theosophical Society has been CHANGED and SIMPLIFIED
> > without explaining why!<
> > >
> > >
> > > "ARTICLE I
> > > Constitution
> > >
> > > 1. The title of this Society, which was formed at New York, United States
> > of America, on the 17th of November 1875, is the "Theosophical Society."
> > >
> > > 2. The Theosophical Society is an International Body.
> > >
> > > 3. The objects of the Theosophical Society are:
> > > First. - To form the nucleus of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity,
> > without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour.
> > > Second. - To promote the study of Aryan and other Eastern literatures,
> > religions, philosophies and sciences, and to demonstrate their importance to
> > Humanity.
> > > Third. - To investigate unexplained laws of Nature and the psychic powers
> > latent in man.
> > >
> > > 4. The Theosophical Society is absolutely unsectarian, and no assent to
> > any formula of belief, faith or creed shall be required as a qualification
> > of membership; but every applicant and member must lie in sympathy with the
> > effort to create the nucleus of an Universal Brotherhood of Humanity.
> > >
> > > 5. The Society does not interfere with caste rules, nor other social
> > observances, nor with politics, and any such interference in its name is a
> > breach of the constitution. The Society is not responsible for the personal
> > opinions of its Fellows. "
> > > . . . . .
> > >
> > > "ARTICLE XIII
> > > Offences
> > >
> > > 1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In
> > political disputes shall be immediately expelled."
> > > http://lebendige-ethik.net/engl/4-Constitution_TS.engl.html
> > >
> > >
> > > I continues to baffle me that no leading members of the Theosophical
> > Society are willing to respond and explain why this change has occured and
> > why such a change can be defended. I ask: Why are political activity (called
> > low-ethics by H. P. Blavatsky) being down-watered as being of no importance
> > in the passage of the Constitution in the Section about its AIMS?
> > >
> > > And why have the emphasis on Eastern and Aryan litterature been removed?
> > > These doctrines are central to ending the strifes between the worlds
> > religions and the creation of a Universal Brotherhood of Humanity.
> > >
> > > I find it to be crucial, that the Theosophical Society is not running the
> > risk of being used for any political ends what so ever, not even those
> > promoted by Annie Besant in her time, when she operated as a politician and
> > supporter of the clearly political party National Congress of Indian and
> > used the Theosophical Publishing House to publish political papers,
> > phamplets and even books with.
> > >
> > > If the members at the Theosophical Society continue to promote such a
> > relaxed and blurred view upon political activities, it is no wonder that the
> > Masters of Wisdom keep their distance to its headquarters and major Lodges.
> > >
> > > Silence is also an answer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MKR
> > > To: M K Ramadoss
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:48 AM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Serious Potential problems with TSA Bylaws
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Serious Potential problems with TSA Bylaws
> > >
> > > TSA BYLAWS
> > >
> > > Theosophists do not believe in miracles. When I visited the TSA website,
> > I
> > > was surprised to find the TSA Bylaws on it and prominently mentioned. I
> > > could not believe my eyes and and now I am now a believer in
> > ââ?¬Ë?miraclesââ?¬â?¢ even
> > > within TS/TSA. The man or woman responsible to decide to put it on the
> > > website should be congratulated.
> > >
> > > What caught my eye was the clause dealing with disposition of assets,
> > which
> > > is quoted below:
> > >
> > > ââ?¬Å"Disposition of Assets. In the event of the cancellation of the charter
> > of
> > > the Theosophical Society in America under Rule 36 of the Rules of the
> > > international Theosophical Society, or on the dissolution of the
> > > Theosophical Society in America as a corporate entity, the Charter
> > granted
> > > by the international President of the Theosophical Society shall become
> > > forfeited or lapsed, and all its assets, all property, movable and
> > > immovable, including charters, diplomas (certificates), seal, records,
> > and
> > > other papers belonging to or in its custody shall be distributed to the
> > > Theosophical Investment Trust, an Illinois trust having its principal
> > > offices at 1926 North Main Street, Wheaton, Illinois; provided, however,
> > > that if, at the time of dissolution of the Theosophical Society in
> > America,
> > > the Theosophical Investment Trust is not qualified as exempt under
> > Section
> > > 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended (or the
> > > corresponding section of any future federal tax code), is not in
> > existence,
> > > or is unwilling to accept the assets of the Theosophical Society in
> > America
> > > described above, then such assets shall be distributed to the
> > Theosophical
> > > Society, incorporated at Madras, India, on April 3, 1905, and having its
> > > international headquarters at Adyar, Madras (Chennai), India; provided
> > > further, however, that if, at the time of dissolution of the Theosophical
> > > Society in America, the Theosophical Society, incorporated at Madras,
> > India,
> > > on April 3, 1905, and having its international headquarters at Adyar,
> > Madras
> > > (Chennai), India, is not qualified as exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of
> > the
> > > Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended (or the corresponding section
> > of
> > > any future federal tax code), is not in existence, or is unwilling to
> > accept
> > > the assets of the Theosophical Society in America described above, then
> > such
> > > assets shall be distributed for one or more exempt purposes within the
> > > meaning of Section 501(c)(3), or shall be distributed to a federal,
> > state,
> > > or local government for a public purpose. ââ?¬Å"
> > >
> > > There are several issues regarding the above, that needs immediate
> > > attention, to protect the multi-million dollar assets in the bank and the
> > > very valuable real estate owned by TSA from potentially going to entities
> > of
> > > a which are not in the business of propagating theosophy.
> > >
> > > CURRENT CONDITIONS IN THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY:
> > >
> > > We all witnessed the electioneering in the last international elections,
> > > with unfounded allegations on the election going as far back as 1960, and
> > > unsubstantiated allegations about the Indian Section voting procedure in
> > the
> > > current election, failed ultra secret attempt to disenfranchise all
> > members
> > > in the election of the International President and some GC members
> > seizing
> > > control of the presidency, and the still unresolved cleavage between GC
> > > members. Many of the above, originated from the United States. There was
> > > even some speculation in cyberspace that the current disunity may lead to
> > > split up of the TS as well.
> > >
> > > WHAT HAPPENS OF TSA CHARTER IS FORFEITED OR LAPSED
> > >
> > > The above bylaw states that all the assets will go to the Theosophical
> > > Investment Trust. None of the members know about the constitution and
> > bylaws
> > > of operation of the Trust as well as how the Trustees are appointed,
> > their
> > > term of office and what kind of control TSA has on the Trust. All this
> > seems
> > > to be kept as another ultra secret matter, since almost a decade ago when
> > I
> > > tried to find out the details, it was met with silence from the previous
> > TSA
> > > administration. I do not know if any member has seen any of the details,
> > > even though the Trust is entrusted with millions of dollars of the money
> > > belonging to TSA. This should trouble any member. When money is involved,
> > > transparency is needed to protect it.
> > >
> > > While the trust is 501(c)3 tax exempt, it is technically known as a
> > > 'supporting organization' and in the recent years, US congress has
> > tightened
> > > the requirements to be met by supporting organizations. So, as a
> > supporting
> > > organization meant to exclusively to support TSA another 501(c)3
> > > organization, if the charter of TSA is forfeited or lapsed, the sole
> > > beneficiary is gone and the trust�s function disappears and trust does
> > not
> > > have an independent standing and hence cannot receive the assets. We do
> > not
> > > know if this point has been examined in depth by attorneys and
> > accountants
> > > familiar with the law governing tax exempt 'supporting organizations.'
> > >
> > > WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TRUST CANNOT RECEIVE THE ASSETS OF TSA?
> > >
> > > All the assets go to the Theosophical Society, Adyar, Chennai/Madras.
> > > However, for the Theosophical Society, Adyar to receive the assets, there
> > is
> > > a critical condition to be met. For this to happen, Theosophical Society,
> > > Adyar, has to be a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization under the laws of the
> > > United States of America at that future time.
> > >
> > > TAX EXEMPT STATUS OF THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, ADYAR, CHENNAI.
> > >
> > > Internal Revenue Service in the USA publishes/provides a list of current
> > tax
> > > exempt organizations. Several years ago, TS Adyar was on that list. Now,
> > a
> > > visit to the IRS website does not have TS Adyar as a tax exempt
> > organization
> > > in the USA. So as of now, TS Adyar is NOT a tax exempt organization in
> > the
> > > USA and it is not known why and when it was dropped from the official
> > list.
> > >
> > > We also do not know if anyone is monitoring this fact from either Adyar
> > or
> > > Wheaton. The bottom line is: if the TSA charter is forfeited or lapsed
> > > tomorrow, the assets will not go to TS Adyar, instead a local Judge will
> > > distribute them to any charitable purpose.
> > >
> > > WHY MEMBERS SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE ABOVE?
> > >
> > > The assets of TSA were accumulated over the years from small and big
> > > donations and bequests from dedicated members who wanted to support the
> > > mission of the TS and wanted theosophy to benefit humanity. Much of the
> > > donated money is very hard earned and members have a duty to be watchful
> > and
> > > alert. This is all the more so due to the lack of transparency in the TS.
> > At
> > > a time of declining membership and cancellation of charters of lodges and
> > > the disunity displayed at the GC meeting, the main protection comes from
> > > ordinary members like you and me who can talk about these kinds of issues
> > on
> > > the Internet without any control from the organizations.
> > >
> > > As long time members here know, Internet has played a critical role and
> > > protected the TS during the election and its aftermath, I am sure
> > bringing
> > > attention to the above topic is going to help TS and avoid the kinds of
> > > problems TS ran into in Europe when the charter was forfeited or lapsed
> > > years ago.
> > >
> > > M K Ramadoss
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