Theos-Talk Archives (March 2010 Message tt00021)

I think there were several emails before Carlos time.

I am not sure if they are in the archives. As I recall, those msgs blew the
cover off of misinformation that was being disseminated.

I also recall one of the well known TS member, who I believe now in FL,
personally visiting the Boston lodge to find out what really happened.

MKR

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Duane Carpenter <
monad_monad_monad@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> This is correct mkr
> I recall sharing extensively what happened at the Boston Lodge here on
> Theos-talk when Carlos was active and posting regularly.
> Please archive those emails. If you have any further questions contact me
> Best Duane.
>
> ________________________________
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:25:29 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World QUESTIONS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING
>
>
> I am glad that we have someone who was an eyewitness to Boston lodge
> matter.
>
> At that time, very little information was available/forthcomi ng from TSA
> on
>
> Boston lodge. This led several messages on theos-l/theos- talk from the
> officers who were in charge of Boston lodge during the litigation
> clarifying
> many issues. I am sure they can be found in the archives.
>
> On a personal note. I was, at that time new to the TS matters and when I
> informally inquired of my District Director as to what is going on, he had
> arrogance to ask me what does it matter to me. Due to my inexperience I
> kept
> quiet.
>
> Request for clarification as to the reasons for the decision is very
> reasonable and I hope it is forthcoming. Lack of definitive information can
> only hurt TS, especially in the current atmosphere created by the election
> matters and its aftermath.
>
> Let us hope and pray to God Almighty that we all get soon enlightened as to
> the real facts behind Orlando decision.
>
> MKR
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Duane Carpenter <
> monad_monad_ monad@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Katinka
> > I would be interested in the full disclosure and truth about the Orlando
> > lodge.
> > Since I was President of the Boston Lodge in 1989-91 when TS National
> > pulled our charter.
> > I would be interested in there rational for pulling theirs.
> > I would rather be embarrassed in knowing the truth then feel comfortable
> in
> > a lie.
> > Sincerely Duane.
> >
> > You may respond to my personal E-mail address.
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Spirituality <mail@katinkahesseli nk.net<mail%40katinkahess
> elink.net>
> > >
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 12:30:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World QUESTIONS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ramadoss and others,
> >
> > The Orlando lodge has been in a quarrel with the USA section of the TS
> > Adyar for years now. They are representing this as a surprise, but they
> > contacted me a few years ago - and I contacted Betty back then. I don't
> > remember the details, but I do remember that their story made much less
> > sense than Betty's. The fact that they're playing as though this is a
> > surprise is an indication that they're not being precisely fair and open.
> >
> > I agree this kind of thing is sad. I'm sure Betty herself would agree to
> > that as well. But I also know that the Orlando lodge had their chance and
> a
> > LOT of time to clean things up. Apparently they didn't.
> >
> > It's the sad job of the national section to get rid of lodges like that.
> >
> > BTW - even if I remembered the details, or bothered to look them up, I
> > still don't think anything would be served by publishing them here. The
> only
> > result would be for the members of that lodge to feel offended at being
> > outed publicly.
> >
> > It would take a private online forum for that kind of openness to be fair
> > to all involved.
> >
> > Katinka Hesselink
> >
> > http://www.katinkah esselink. net/
> >
> > http://www.overpeinzende.nl/
> > http://www.allconsidering.com/
> > http://www.myspirit ualquotes. com/
> >
> > http://www.moderntheosophy.com/
> > http://spiritualindiatrip.com/
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Where are all those women and men (many of them may be 'leaders' and
> > others
> > > whose food and lodging may be at risk at the whim of the elected
> leaders)
> > > hiding behind pseudonyms and vociferous about 'who is mowing the lawn
> at
> > > Adyar'???
> > >
> > > What is going on in Orlando needs simple explanation as to the 'real'
> > > problem that is behind the action.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:34 PM, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am very saddened to read the message.
> > > >
> > > > At a time when the membership and lodges have been shrinking, it is
> > very
> > > > difficult to understand, especially for ordinary members who are not
> > privy
> > > > to what is going on at the top most levels.
> > > >
> > > > This is all the more so coming after all the events we have witnessed
> > > > (courtesy of Internet) starting with the electioneering for
> > International
> > > > President, which has hurt the credibility of many theosophists and
> > leaders,
> > > > can only hurt the future growth of TS in America and the spread of
> > theosophy
> > > > for the masses in America. Deeds speak for themselves and members are
> > > > intelligent enough to make up their own mind.
> > > >
> > > > When other lodges lodges, especially those who own valuable property
> > and
> > > > money in the bank, would be wondering who is next in line.
> > > >
> > > > In an earlier message on theos-talk, I mentioned the shocking fact
> that
> > the
> > > > issue of declining or frozen membership outside India never come up
> in
> > the
> > > > last several GC meetings where the cream of professors, politicians,
> > elders,
> > > > leaders, occultists, ETC. met to discuss important issues relating to
> > TS
> > > > and its future.
> > > >
> > > > I am hoping that it is NOT a world-wide unwritten long-term future
> > policy
> > > > of TS to shrink and reduce the membership outside India and for
> > National
> > > > leaders to take control and consolidate the money and assets.
> > > >
> > > > If it is the unwritten long-term policy of TS to shrink and reduce
> the
> > > > membership outside India, then, simple practice of Universal
> > Brotherhood
> > > > requires a clear cut announcement by the leaders. This can be done
> > quickly
> > > > and at no cost to anyone. We can post the announcement on theos-talk
> > and
> > > > other Internet forums for free.
> > > >
> > > > Such an announcement will enable members to know where TS is heading
> > and
> > > > decide for themselves how they want to get involved in the TS as we
> > know it.
> > > > (Are those talking about the lack of volunteers, listening??? )
> > > >
> > > > In the past, many leaders have chosen to keep silent. Silence during
> > the
> > > > last two years, with the background of great unnecessary secrecy with
> > which
> > > > decisions have been taken at all levels, has not helped TS or
> > Theosophy.
> > > > Silence has only given rise to speculation and vigilance on the part
> of
> > > > members.
> > > >
> > > > Only total transparency can help to turn the current tide in the TS.
> > Let us
> > > > keep tuned to see what the leaders want to do? Or continue to keep
> > > > themselves in their cocoons or start multi-faceted communication with
> > > > members?
> > > >
> > > > MKR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, t_s_theosophist <THEOSOPHIST@...>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> QUESTIONS WE HAVE BEEN ASKING
> > > >>
> > > >> We recieved an offical notice dated March 3, from Betty Bland
> stating
> > that
> > > >> she has closed
> > > >> Orlando Lodge, couched in all of the necessary legal terms.
> > > >>
> > > >> It was a total surprise to us when on July 24, 2009 we recieved an
> > offical
> > > >> letter from Jerome Michel, District Director that there had been a
> > > >> "long term investigation" of Orlando Lodge. In the letter he made
> > several
> > > >> very disparaging allegations against us but WITHOUT any type of
> > > >> documentation.
> > > >>
> > > >> We were surprised because NO member of Orlando Lodge had been
> > interviewed
> > > >> or contacted by their "investigators. " And NO Director has ever
> > visited
> > > >> Orlando Lodge. Point is they do not know us, they have never been
> here
> > and
> > > >> they did not speak to us.
> > > >>
> > > >> We were also surprised because NO member of Orlando Lodge had been a
> > party
> > > >> to their alleged complaints. And there has been NO internal
> dissention
> > > >> within Orlando Lodge. We have been and still are united and
> > harmonious.
> > > >>
> > > >> We have been asking, and you may wonder also: "What Type of
> > Investigation
> > > >> is carried out
> > > >> where the parties concerned are not personally interviewed or the
> > location
> > > >> involved not visited???" "What Type of Investigation relies on
> second
> > hand
> > > >> heresay gossip and mis-information? ??"
> > > >>
> > > >> What Type of "Investigation" is This ???
> > > >>
> > > >> To take such drastic action to close a Lodge certainly should
> require
> > a
> > > >> certain Investigative protocol ,and solid documentation. What Type
> of
> > Board
> > > >> of Directors "Rubber Stamps' a charade like this?
> > > >>
> > > >> We have asked the Administration several times for documentation of
> > their
> > > >> allegations
> > > >> and have been ignored each time.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just as we were totally surprised to hear of an "investigation" of
> our
> > > >> Lodge, YOU TOO may one day get the same "surprise."
> > > >>
> > > >> The fact is that the TSA By-Laws do NOT give the National Society
> ANY
> > > >> authority to interfere in the internal affairs of a Autonomous Lodge
> > as long
> > > >> as the Lodge is operating congruently with Theosophical Traditions &
> > Ethos.
> > > >> Orlando Lodge has always operated within these parameters, and has
> > never
> > > >> violated any policies.
> > > >>
> > > >> What Type of Investigation is This, We Would Like To Know ?
> > > >>
> > > >> There was NO Legitimate Probable Cause for the TSA Board to take
> such
> > > >> drastic action against Orlando Lodge, so in order to proceed with
> > their plan
> > > >> they had to Fabricate a "Cause" we are certain that this attempt
> will
> > reveal
> > > >> itself when documentation is provided.
> > > >>
> > > >> These draconian actions have a very chilling effect on Freedom of
> > > >> Expression, and their intent is to "make an example" and intimidate
> > others
> > > >> from speaking out their conscience. We feel that it is important for
> > > >> members, potential members & donors to know how this administration
> > actually
> > > >> represses respectful dissent.
> > > >>
> > > >> We are certain that members and donors do not want their monies
> wasted
> > on
> > > >> political litigation.
> > > >> The members, potential members & donors should also keep in mind
> that
> > > >> these are the same people who were complicit in the mis-information
> > Betty
> > > >> Bland spread about the health status of Radha Burnier in the last
> > > >> presidential election. Betty Blands stated opinion was that Radha
> was
> > not
> > > >> fit to hold office any longer. Mrs. Bland did NOT share with the
> > members the
> > > >> fact that three well qualified physicians certified that Mrs.
> Burnier
> > WAS
> > > >> fit to hold office.
> > > >>
> > > >> The members, potential members & donors should also keep in mind
> that
> > Mrs.
> > > >> Bland led a covert attempt to dis-enfranchise the worldwide
> membership
> > from
> > > >> voting.
> > > >>
> > > >> From the footprints in the sand you can recognize what type of
> > creature
> > > >> left its mark, this administration has left a lot of interesting
> > footprints.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> What Type of Investigation Is This???
> > > >> We Want To Know.
> > > >> You Probably Want To Know Also.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you have inquiries... Here are the e-mails for the TSA Board.
> > > >> tb1022@... <tb1022%40sbcglobal .net> (Tim Boyd),
> > > >> neldasamarel@ ... <neldasamarel% 40sbcglobal. net> (Nelda
> > > >> Samarel), lamajam@... <lamajam%40cox. net> (Mo Michel),
> > > >> quest@... <quest%40theosophy- ny.org> (Lyn Trotman),
> > > >> elwinbarrett@ ... <elwinbarrett% 40comcast. net> (Elwin Barrett),
> > > >> bbland@... <bbland%40theosophi cal.org> (Betty Bland),
> >
> > > >> wallacelrainey@ ... <wallacelrainey% 40earthlink. net> (Wallace
> > > >> Rainey),
> > > >>
> > > >> It will be interesting to see IF you get any type of response and
> what
> > the
> > > >> response is.
> > > >>
> > > >> Stay Tuned;
> > > >>
> > > >> Fraternally;
> > > >>
> > > >> William Delahunt, Secretary
> > > >> Orlando Lodge
> > > >> Theosophist@ ... <Theosophist% 40webtv.net>
> > > >> http://www.tso-orlando.org
> > > >>
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