Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00065)

Dear Duane

My views are:

I am only a Seeker after Truth I do not claim that I have found it like others do.
But I claim that I have a knowledge about various issues, and these I do not seek to make others believe blindly about.

I am in the below doing my best un der the circumstances to be of service to you and also others who might read this.
If you ever find it to be important to e-mail me in private about your commited esoterical efforts in this Manvantara, you are always welcome to do so at global-theosophy@stofanet.dk .



Duane wrote:
"Dear Morten
The Morya School of Meditation is based on what can be found in Letters in Occult Meditation by AAB. Here is outlined the curriculum of all grades of esoteric or occult schools from the beginners to the most advanced. Since most of this involves advanced meditation work it is useless to talk about it other then point out the beginner meditates 1 hour a day and the advanced disciple 5." 


M. Sufilight says:
Why is it useless to talk more about it?
I remember, that H. P. Blavatsky and many other past teachers of the wisdom teachings never recommended meditation without a guide. And that they never supported an emotional attraction or rejection of the individual Seeker in their esoteric sections. (Try The Key to Theosophy, 2nd ed. 1890, p. 21)

Commparative studying was (and is) one of the aims of the Theosophical Society given in its Original Programe. Am I to understand it to be so that the Morya Federation rejects the idea of comparative studying and claim that it is not needed any longer? Or that certain kinds of comparative studies are allowed and others not?


Duane wrote:
"How many hours do you mediate a day.? Sitting at your computer and passing out proclamations on other group's does not count.."

M. Sufilight says:
If you are willing to listen to honest words, it might come as a surprise to you and others, that I am meditating every hour of the day.

I do not hope, that my answer has disappointed you?

I wonder whether one has to answer such a question before one is allowed to be a member of this Morya group?

Indeed I am not passing proclamations out although some might negatively perceive them to be so. I am always merely stating my views, and I think you know that if you are honest about your activities. I have many times through comparative studies been seeking to make each reader aware of the similarities and differences between various groups who call themselves theosophical and esoterical. And especially between those who claim to be based on H. P. Blavatsky's teachings in her Esoteric Section as well as the Theosophical Society's original programe. And I often do it by using quotes. Since I do not claim to be infallibel like a pope or similar I might err from time to time, and I gladly welcome those who are helpful in making me aware of my faults.

I find that the Morya group you mentioned is claiming that it is - also - basing its teachings on H. P. Blavatsky's teachings. It is quite new to me, that one cannot talk about whether a given group's aims are based on H. P. Blavatsky's teachings or not. But that is what you seem to tell me, when you say that it is "useless to talk about" it.



Duane wrote:
"I will leave you with one quote from the great HPB which is reviewed in great clarity in this book I have just mentioned. Since you do not read in any depth the works of ABB you are simply not gualified to comment."


M. Sufilight says:
I wonder if anyone is qualified to comment about these books if they are in opposition to them?

Now I find you to be unjust and unfair and even uncompassionate in the above words. Anyone can claim another to have been reading AAB's books superficially. Do you actually know how many years i have spent reading these books? - If you do not know this, I think you aught to be recommended to calm your emotions and seek to show me and others a more honest compassionate and wise communication. 

Have you read H. P. Blavatsky's beginners book "The Key to Theosophy" in depth?
H. P. Blavatsky said:
"WHAT A THEOSOPHIST OUGHT NOT TO DO. "
.......
"No Theosophist should be silent when he hears evil reports or slanders spread about 

the Society, or innocent persons, whether they be his colleagues or outsiders. "
(The Key to Theosophy, 2nd ed. 1890, p. 250)


One of the local Alice A. Bailey followers in my neighbourhood, a friend of Michael Robbins and the Morya group I would say, know that I have been studying these books for many years. - I find it to be allright to disagree about various issues within the theosophical teachings since no two persons think alike - and also if the possibility araises to find out the truth about these disagreements. There is after all No Religion Higher Than the Truth.


Duane wrote:
"HPB made this statement about correspondences in her introduction to her Theosophical Esoteric School which I will share with you here
 
âTo the learner who would study the esoteric sciences with their double objective: (A) of providing man to be identical in spiritual and physical essence with both the absolute principal and with God in nature; and (B) demonstrating and presence of him of the same potential power as exists in the creative forces in nature â to such a one a perfect knowledge of the correspondences between, colors, sounds and numbers is the first prerequisiteâ
 
Please Karen if you are still out there do not take my communications wirth Mortern to seriously. I really think Morten is a Brilliant thinkers and an advanced spirtual worker. Just a little uninformed about the works of alice A Bailey
Blessings Duane"


M. Sufilight says:
What you think about me Duane might be true and it might not. Try to consider this carefully.
Try also the to have a look at the next e-mail I am posting.




M. Sufilight


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Duane Carpenter 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:10 AM
  Subject: Theos-World Who out their in theo-land meditates 5 hours a day?


    
  Dear Morten
  The Morya School of Meditation is based on what can be found in Letters in Occult Meditation by AAB. Here is outlined the curriculum of all grades of esoteric or occult schools from the beginners to the most advanced. Since most of this involves advanced meditation work it is useless to talk about it other then point out the beginner meditates 1 hour a day and the advanced disciple 5. How many hours do you mediate a day.? Sitting at your computer and passing out proclamations on other group's does not count..
  I will leave you with one quote from the great HPB which is reviewed in great clarity in this book I have just mentioned. Since you do not read in any depth the works of ABB you are simply not gualified to comment.

  HPB made this statement about correspondences in her introduction to her Theosophical Esoteric School which I will share with you here
   
  âTo the learner who would study the esoteric sciences with their double objective: (A) of providing man to be identical in spiritual and physical essence with both the absolute principal and with God in nature; and (B) demonstrating and presence of him of the same potential power as exists in the creative forces in nature â to such a one a perfect knowledge of the correspondences between, colors, sounds and numbers is the first prerequisiteâ
   
  Please Karen if you are still out there do not take my communications wirth Mortern to seriously. I really think Morten is a Brilliant thinkers and an advanced spirtual worker. Just a little uninformed about the works of alice A Bailey
  Blessings Duane

   

  ________________________________
  From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 11:36:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World What you are looking for may also be political

    
  Dear Duane and friends

  My views are:

  Duane, may I ask whether this Morya Federation of Esoteric Schools of Meditation is a theosophical group based on the original programe given by Master Morya and KH to H. P. Blavatsky?

  I do hope you will allow me this question so to let the members and future members of Theos-talk to be informed about this issue.

  - - -
  Try to read this link on the Original Programe:
  [âORIGINAL PROGRAMMEâ MANUSCRIPT] by H. P. Blavatsky
  http://www.katinkah esselink. net/blavatsky/ articles/ v7/yxxxx_ 019.htm

  M. Sufilight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Duane Carpenter 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:01 AM
  Subject: Theos-World What you are looking for may also be looking for you!!!

  Dear Karen
  You need to check out this school it may provide you with what you need.
  Morya Federation of Esoteric Schools of Meditation

  ____________ _________ _________ __
  From: "Karenlake2004@ aol.com" <Karenlake2004@ aol.com>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
  Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 7:54:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Covert Activities,

  When I was a member of the Theosophical Society in Spokane-we had many things happen I did not like so I stopped going to meeting and just studied on my own. I would love to be part of a group that stands for what the Society is supposed to belive in and that is the compassion and spiritual and philosophical interests world wide of it's members. To be flexable in views held by others. We are all on this path and tolerance is a virtue.

  Karen McElroy

  -----Original Message-----
  From: esapress@ymail. com <esapress@ymail. com>
  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups..com
  Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 1:12 pm
  Subject: Re: Theos-World Covert Activities,

  MKR,

  Can you imagine thinking/plotting to yourself; well let's just take this person's name off of their book and put this dead guy's name on it and then deed it to us - noone will ever know! 

  Or how about writing wacky materials (several) and then efforting to falsely attribute the lot to someone that isn't even alive anymore thus capable of defending themselves.

  Clearly these are not people who have ever working in the publishing industry - however and obviously, these are not spiritual people. It's a swindle, a racket, and I am concerned that more (more and more?) of our elderly could be preyed upon. 

  The facts are that our Orgs have scholarly people whose works and efforts and private libraries aren't always being adequately safeguarded nor being dealt with (after their passing) ethically.

  A person's passing does in fact not equal suddenly some sort of a free-for-all, nor should it. 

  In particular I'm thinking that it would be nice if and for the future we could set up some sort of precautions a/o protective measures available to assist in these matters if/when it interests an individual and such assistance is requested.

  In a sense it is maybe a sad realization that we are not looking after our scholars and their materials/libraries as best we can.

  I've been discussing with Morton these sorts of matters - the future as it may relate to Theosophical activities.

  Thanks for the link, I will have a look at it.

  Terrie

  --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, MKR <mkr777@...> wrote:
  >
  > I am reminded of the dispute that arose after John Cooper died in the middle
  > of editing/compiling HPB letters. See the msg from Tillett linked below:
  > 
  > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 37921>
  > 
  > MKR

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