Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
Feb 04, 2010 07:31 AM
by Drpsionic
To claim to be a spiritual head of anything requires a large and very
unhealthy ego. It is something that rational people do not aspire to.
Chuck the Heretic
_www.charlescosimano.com
In a message dated 2/4/2010 5:40:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
seeker_preethi@yahoo.com writes:
MarieMAJ,
Please correct me if I misunderstood your words in the lines below:
The President of the TS has to have a large ego in order to run an
international organization? Excuse me, but we are not talking about a business
organization. We are talking of a spiritual organization here. I don't
remember that having a large ego is necessary for spiritual growth and
development. Having a whole one is...but not a large or big one...that is an obstacle.
Fraternally
Preethi
--- On Wed, 3/2/10, MKR <
_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _mkr777@gmail.mkr_
(mailto:mkr777@gmail.com) _> wrote:
From: MKR <_ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _mkr777@gmail.mkr_
(mailto:mkr777@gmail.com) _>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
To: _ (http://www.charlescosimano.com/) _theos-talk@yahoogrotheos-t_
(mailto:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 5:39 AM
Well said.
Everything that is going on can be read on the Internet archives. For a
newbee or prospective member, they would be perplexed as to what is going
on
and they would be confused. So this has created an environment that would
make it difficult to recruit new members Any amount of gimmicks and song
and dance is not going to mislead prospective members. Let us hope wisdom
dawns on those who have the serious duty and responsibility to further
theosophy in the world. Keeping silent is not going to work.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:58 PM, <MarieMAJ41@MarieMAJ> wrote:
>
>
>
> IMHO, many of the members of the GC and ES can be viewed as examples of
> what is NOT theosophical, and therefore serve as valid examples for
others
> as well. It is not just by correct action that a child can be taught,
but
> also by incorrect action. So all members can serve as examples for each
> other. Leaders such as Radha, especially, must have large egos in order
to
> do the work that is required, for international leadership. So along with
> great opportunity comes great opportunity to display ones human
frailities.
> Let us watch, then let us act, according to our own inner light.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@
yahoo.com<seeker_seeker_<WBR>preethi%>
> >
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45 am
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> MKR,
>
> Yes, one does have to be a worker at Adyar to reside there. Additionally,
> one may reside there if one is going to attend the School of the Wisdom,
or
> one is going to do some research in the Library.
>
> One may also reside there if one's family member works there. By that
count
> then, I was not given permission to reside at Adyar even though my
mother,
> Mrs Radha Muthiah, was and is still working at Adyar during the last
> Convention.
>
> And why, MKR, was Preethi Muthiah, a worker-member of the TS and Adyar,
> asked to move out the premises of Adyar? Solely because she "made the
> mistake" of telling the President the difference between right and wrong,
> between corruption and purity. Now tell me, by what count would you call
> what Preethi did in May 2009 untheosophical or unright or illegal or
> unspiritual?
>
> So, the point really is, MKR, that when one does what is Theosophically
> correct, one can still be asked to leave the TS and kicked out on to the
> road, solely because what one is saying hurts the President's ego.
>
> In fact, if you look at HPB's (I do hope you remember who she is) diagram
> of what the spiritual path looks like, one who knows the difference
between
> right and wrong must help his brother standing on a lower rung of the
ladder
> to know that difference. So per HPB Preethi would be right, wouldn't she?
> But per Mrs Radha Burnier, Preethi is wrong. But Preethi is not the
> President of the TS. Mrs Radha Burnier is. So what is an untheosophical
> President who is so PERSONAL she forgets about being correct, ethically
and
> spiritually, doing as President of the TS?
>
> Consequently, if she cannot even set right her own life, how does she
hope
> to lead the others placed under her by Life to the right path? The state
of
> affairs regarding the ES members' plight is even worse, because she is
> supposed to be their spiritual guide. And if you read the Upanishads,
MKR,
> you will know that having upright ethics is ESSENTIAL to the Spiritual
Path.
> There are several reasons for that...
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Wed, 27/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 4:29 PM
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> It was my understanding that one has to be a worker at Adyar to reside
>
> there. You may be aware of the current rules.
>
> mkr
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:05 AM, preethi muthiah
>
> <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > MKR,
>
> >
>
> > The rules are different for Indians and Foreigners.. .Foreigners do
have
> to
>
> > get their GS's approval to reside at Adyar.
>
> >
>
> > If you went back a few decades, you would see why this is followed.
> During
>
> > John Coats' time, we sometimes had even hippies residing at Adyar.
People
>
> > would go to Adyar and smoke, drink and do many other things contrary to
> the
>
> > spiritual atmosphere at Adyar.
>
> >
>
> > I was not there at that time, but these are things I have heard when I
>
> > queried the President's unwillingness to allow some people -- members
or
>
> > otherwise -- to enter and reside on campus.
>
> >
>
> > So, when Mrs Burnier became President, she set out these rules as to
what
>
> > may be done to screen out any unwanted elements from entering and
> residing
>
> > on campus at Adyar. I do appreciate that move, for I do believe -- as
she
>
> > does and many others too -- that the spiritual atmosphere in Adyar must
> be
>
> > preserved...
>
> >
>
> > But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses
that
>
> > very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from
entering
>
> > Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away
from
>
> > the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a
>
> > spiritual centre.
>
> >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> >
>
> > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > --- On Tue, 26/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>
> >
>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 8:03 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > When I was a member of the Indian Section and attended the conventions,
> the
>
> >
>
> > process was very simple. If you are uptodate on your dues, then you are
>
> >
>
> > allowed to register and attend. No one asked me about my allegiance to
>
> >
>
> > anyone nor was I asked about how many meetings I have attended.
>
> >
>
> > I doubt if the process has changed. With the large number of Indian
> members
>
> >
>
> > attending the convention, which is to be expected, anything else would
be
>
> >
>
> > impractical.
>
> >
>
> > MKR
>
> >
>
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:22 AM, preethi muthiah
>
> >
>
> > <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Dear Katinka and Martin,
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > That is precisely the point...what or who would Mrs Radha Burnier
call
> a
>
> >
>
> > > member in good standing? The way I have seen her function for 16
years
> as
>
> >
>
> > > resident-member- worker (strictly in that order), the ones she calls
>
> > members
>
> >
>
> > > in good standing are those who are good for her ego, even if they are
> bad
>
> >
>
> > > for the Movement...she encourages inefficiency and gossip and
slander,
>
> > all
>
> >
>
> > > because the ones who do that also run to her calling her "Amma"...and
> run
>
> >
>
> > > behind her willing to do anything -- whether right or wrong -- to
> please
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > > satisfy her.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > So the question I am asking is simply put this: Who or what is a good
>
> >
>
> > > member of the TS? And when onwards has the Cause become secondary to
> the
>
> > ego
>
> >
>
> > > of the functionary head of the TS?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > By the way, the rules of the TS define any member who has been paying
>
> >
>
> > > regular fees and attending TS meetings as a member in good
> standing...or
>
> > at
>
> >
>
> > > least that is how I understand it...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > And yes, Katinka, I have been at Adyar since 1994 till 2009, and am
> quite
>
> >
>
> > > aware of the politics and ego games that go on in allowing anyone at
> all
>
> > to
>
> >
>
> > > reside at Adyar...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Fraternally
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak%
>
> > 40yahoo.com> >
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak% 40yahoo.com> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> >
>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:19 PM
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Reminds me of an experience I had at "the Maitreya Institute" in
>
> > Amsterdam:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The door was open so I went inside and had a look at all the statues
> and
>
> >
>
> > > paintings of "buddha's". Must have taken me half an hour ( I also
> filmed
>
> >
>
> > > some of the building inside ). Then a tibetan nun entered the
> meditation
>
> >
>
> > > room, where I was making pictures, I looked at her and felt her
heart,
>
> > which
>
> >
>
> > > truly was amazing. Then I observed her mind and there the trouble
>
> > started.
>
> >
>
> > > She looked at me a said, we are all about compassion. At the same
time
> a
>
> >
>
> > > monk appeared behind my back.who grabbed me around my body. I had
> another
>
> >
>
> > > look at the nun, who I saw looking at a picture of a dark buddha.
Here
> is
>
> >
>
> > > what I did...I hit the monk on his head and told him never to attack
me
>
> >
>
> > > again and to the nun I said the same. But I didn't attack you, the
nun
>
> >
>
> > > said...yes you did I said: with your mind...she apologized and
started
> to
>
> >
>
> > > cry...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The monk was ok, I didn't hit him too hard, and I went out of the
>
> >
>
> > > building...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > From: wagnerian1 <wagnerian1@ yahoo. com>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:34:20 AM
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Mmmmkay. Because you're doing all this world-shaking, complicated,
>
> >
>
> > > delicate, high-stakes decision making at a Theosophy Convention. Give
> me
>
> > a
>
> >
>
> > > break.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Do Theosophy in your local group, and in your daily life, and if
> somebody
>
> >
>
> > > wants to play secret club then by all means let them. What exactly
are
>
> > you
>
> >
>
> > > wanting to do at Convention that someone isn't letting you do? How
are
>
> > they
>
> >
>
> > > able to allow or disallow you do something? Are there armed guards
>
> > involved?
>
> >
>
> > > Shouting matches? Cold shoulders? Theosophists, Buddhists, etc. are
all
>
> > good
>
> >
>
> > > at passive aggressive manipulation LOL Maybe there needs to be a
good
>
> >
>
> > > shouting and cursing match to get everything out in the open so that
>
> > Those
>
> >
>
> > > you serve can help Work on it too. Maybe words have lots of power,
but
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > power isn't always obvious from the superficial meaning.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Who wants to stay at some boring ol' Headquarters anyway? Who wants
to
>
> >
>
> > > burden the Society with your upkeep, just because you "pay dues"? Why
>
> > does
>
> >
>
> > > the Society owe anyone room and board?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I could go on and on.....
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --Clint
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > " I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get
to
>
> >
>
> > > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are. "
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > Meaning she is discriminating on "caste" and in violence of the
>
> >
>
> > > objectives of the TS...
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> >
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > From: Spirituality <mail@...>
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:10:15 PM
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > Hi Preethi,
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > > Actually, it's not a given that every TS member can automatically
> stay
>
> > at
>
> >
>
> > > the Adyar Centre. For international members there's a lot of
> bureaucratic
>
> >
>
> > > hassle to be able to stay there. People don't just have to prove they
> are
>
> >
>
> > > members, they have to have the explicit approval of their national
>
> > section
>
> >
>
> > > to be able to stay over.
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > > At least, that was the proced_ure for Dutch members when I went to
> Adyar
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> >
>
> > > ten years ago.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > > > I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
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> >
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> > > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are.
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> > > > Just because we pay a bit for its upkeep, does not mean it's a
hotel
> at
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> >
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> > > which every member automatically has admittance.
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> > > > Katinka Hesselink
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