Theos-Talk Archives (February 2010 Message tt00008)

I have posted numerous messages on varied issues, especially starting with
last election where an attempt was made to defeat sitting president by
attempting to portray her as sick both mentally and physically.

All the messages are in public archives of theos-talk and I would let the
reader come to their own conclusion, which of course is the best.

MKR

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:31 AM, preethi muthiah <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> MKR,
>
> Please do forgive me for saying so openly, but the biggest problem in this
> whole scenario is MKR who always manages to catch the wrong end and then
> makes a big issue out of it, as though it were something worthwhile.
>
> The issues being discussed at the moment, vis-a-vis the TS, have not got to
> do with MKR's personal experiences...they have to do with how the TS is run
> or mismanaged by the President and her cronies and relatives. They have to
> do with how the President "bought" the speech of ES members by dangling the
> carrot called the ES in front of its members, many of whom belong to the GC,
> by taking away from the their right to question the policies the President
> bends to suit her convenience. They have to do with how a person called MKR
> fails repeatedly to do anything constructive about the degenerating
> situation at Adyar, which will eventually spread to the entire TS and
> disease it beyond repair.
>
> Fraternally
> Preethi
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 27 January, 2010, 9:40 PM
>
>
>
>
> Recently my brother visited Chennai and while there, visited Adyar. He had
>
> no problem going there as a visitor. It is my understanding that people who
>
> live there work there. This is as it ought to be.
>
> When worker's tenure is terminated either voluntarily or involuntarily, it
>
> only makes sense that they should move out, because Adyar is not like a
>
> hotel just because you are a member. Just because a worker has worked for a
>
> long time, they too have to move out because Adyar is not running a old-age
>
> home. Some times, we may not like decisions. But it is how it works.
>
> What is missing here is how things are run at other National Sections such
>
> as in the USA. It would be interesting to hear from anyone. Mind you,
>
> Sections are fully autonomous and can do what the want and no one can
>
> interfere with the autonomy.
>
> MKR
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
>
> global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk> wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > Preethi wrote:
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> > "But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses that
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> > very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from entering
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> > Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away from
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> > the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a
>
> > spiritual centre."
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> >
>
> > Maybe the following view could be helpful:
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> > The Constitution and Rules aught maybe to have an article saying
> something
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> > about who are allowed to enter TS Adyar and other compunds etc. and who
> are
>
> > not, and what ethics (versus assumptions) are being used and by whom when
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> > such a decision is being made. Those who disallow people to enter a given
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> > compund aught to provide credible documentation about why.
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> >
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> >
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> > M. Sufilight
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> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: preethi muthiah
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> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:05 AM
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> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> >
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> > MKR,
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> >
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> > The rules are different for Indians and Foreigners.. .Foreigners do have
> to
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> > get their GS's approval to reside at Adyar.
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> >
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> > If you went back a few decades, you would see why this is followed.
> During
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> > John Coats' time, we sometimes had even hippies residing at Adyar. People
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> > would go to Adyar and smoke, drink and do many other things contrary to
> the
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> > spiritual atmosphere at Adyar.
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> >
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> > I was not there at that time, but these are things I have heard when I
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> > queried the President's unwillingness to allow some people -- members or
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> > otherwise -- to enter and reside on campus.
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> >
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> > So, when Mrs Burnier became President, she set out these rules as to what
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> > may be done to screen out any unwanted elements from entering and
> residing
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> > on campus at Adyar. I do appreciate that move, for I do believe -- as she
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> > does and many others too -- that the spiritual atmosphere in Adyar must
> be
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> > preserved...
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> >
>
> > But when taken to the extreme, it means that Mrs Burnier then uses that
>
> > very privilege she introduced to move out or prevent anyone from entering
>
> > Adyar who is not good for her own ego...this rule has now taken away from
>
> > the openness and regeneration that is needed for Adyar to survive as a
>
> > spiritual centre.
>
> >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> >
>
> > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > --- On Tue, 26/1/10, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> wrote:
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> >
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> > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
>
>
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Date: Tuesday, 26 January, 2010, 8:03 PM
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> >
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> > When I was a member of the Indian Section and attended the conventions,
> the
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> >
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> > process was very simple. If you are uptodate on your dues, then you are
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> >
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> > allowed to register and attend. No one asked me about my allegiance to
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> >
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> > anyone nor was I asked about how many meetings I have attended.
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> >
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> > I doubt if the process has changed. With the large number of Indian
> members
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> >
>
> > attending the convention, which is to be expected, anything else would be
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> >
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> > impractical.
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> >
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> > MKR
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> >
>
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:22 AM, preethi muthiah
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> >
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> > <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Dear Katinka and Martin,
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > That is precisely the point...what or who would Mrs Radha Burnier call
> a
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> >
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> > > member in good standing? The way I have seen her function for 16 years
> as
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> >
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> > > resident-member- worker (strictly in that order), the ones she calls
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> > members
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> >
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> > > in good standing are those who are good for her ego, even if they are
> bad
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> >
>
> > > for the Movement...she encourages inefficiency and gossip and slander,
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> > all
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> >
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> > > because the ones who do that also run to her calling her "Amma"...and
> run
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> >
>
> > > behind her willing to do anything -- whether right or wrong -- to
> please
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> > and
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> >
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> > > satisfy her.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > So the question I am asking is simply put this: Who or what is a good
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> >
>
> > > member of the TS? And when onwards has the Cause become secondary to
> the
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> > ego
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> >
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> > > of the functionary head of the TS?
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > By the way, the rules of the TS define any member who has been paying
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> >
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> > > regular fees and attending TS meetings as a member in good
> standing...or
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> > at
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> >
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> > > least that is how I understand it...
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > And yes, Katinka, I have been at Adyar since 1994 till 2009, and am
> quite
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> >
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> > > aware of the politics and ego games that go on in allowing anyone at
> all
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> > to
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> >
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> > > reside at Adyar...
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Fraternally
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Preethi
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> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > --- On Sun, 24/1/10, Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak%
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> > 40yahoo.com> >
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> >
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> > > wrote:
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@ yahoo. com <Mvandertak% 40yahoo.com> >
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> >
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> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
>
> >
>
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:19 PM
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> >
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> > > Reminds me of an experience I had at "the Maitreya Institute" in
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> > Amsterdam:
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > The door was open so I went inside and had a look at all the statues
> and
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> >
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> > > paintings of "buddha's". Must have taken me half an hour ( I also
> filmed
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> >
>
> > > some of the building inside ). Then a tibetan nun entered the
> meditation
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> >
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> > > room, where I was making pictures, I looked at her and felt her heart,
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> > which
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> >
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> > > truly was amazing. Then I observed her mind and there the trouble
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> > started.
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> >
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> > > She looked at me a said, we are all about compassion. At the same time
> a
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> >
>
> > > monk appeared behind my back.who grabbed me around my body. I had
> another
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> >
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> > > look at the nun, who I saw looking at a picture of a dark buddha. Here
> is
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> >
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> > > what I did...I hit the monk on his head and told him never to attack me
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> >
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> > > again and to the nun I said the same. But I didn't attack you, the nun
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> >
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> > > said...yes you did I said: with your mind...she apologized and started
> to
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> >
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> > > cry...
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > The monk was ok, I didn't hit him too hard, and I went out of the
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> >
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> > > building...
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> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> > > From: wagnerian1 <wagnerian1@ yahoo. com>
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> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:34:20 AM
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Mmmmkay. Because you're doing all this world-shaking, complicated,
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> >
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> > > delicate, high-stakes decision making at a Theosophy Convention. Give
> me
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> > a
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> >
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> > > break.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Do Theosophy in your local group, and in your daily life, and if
> somebody
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> >
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> > > wants to play secret club then by all means let them. What exactly are
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> > you
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> >
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> > > wanting to do at Convention that someone isn't letting you do? How are
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> > they
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> >
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> > > able to allow or disallow you do something? Are there armed guards
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> > involved?
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> >
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> > > Shouting matches? Cold shoulders? Theosophists, Buddhists, etc. are all
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> > good
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> >
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> > > at passive aggressive manipulation LOL Maybe there needs to be a good
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> >
>
> > > shouting and cursing match to get everything out in the open so that
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> > Those
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> >
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> > > you serve can help Work on it too. Maybe words have lots of power, but
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> > the
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> >
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> > > power isn't always obvious from the superficial meaning.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Who wants to stay at some boring ol' Headquarters anyway? Who wants to
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> >
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> > > burden the Society with your upkeep, just because you "pay dues"? Why
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> > does
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> >
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> > > the Society owe anyone room and board?
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > I could go on and on.....
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > --Clint
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Martin <Mvandertak@ ...> wrote:
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> > > > " I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
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> > > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are. "
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> > > > Meaning she is discriminating on "caste" and in violence of the
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> > > objectives of the TS...
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> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
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> > > > From: Spirituality <mail@...>
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> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
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> > > > Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 4:10:15 PM
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> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Adyar Convention Reporting
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> > > > Hi Preethi,
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> > > > Actually, it's not a given that every TS member can automatically
> stay
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> > at
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> >
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> > > the Adyar Centre. For international members there's a lot of
> bureaucratic
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> >
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> > > hassle to be able to stay there. People don't just have to prove they
> are
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> >
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> > > members, they have to have the explicit approval of their national
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> > section
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> > > to be able to stay over.
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> > > > At least, that was the procedure for Dutch members when I went to
> Adyar
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> > > ten years ago.
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> > > > I guess it's to ensure that 'members of good standing' only get to
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> > > attend. Which Radha obviously does not think you are.
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> > > > Just because we pay a bit for its upkeep, does not mean it's a hotel
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> > > which every member automatically has admittance.
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> > > > Katinka Hesselink
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