Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00200)

Dear Preethi



Thank you for those kind words.  I can assure you that there

was no corruption or deception taking place when I was

working at Adyar.  If you really do seek the truth, I suggest

that you always do your own investigation, and don?t listen

to anybody who would poison your mind.



I have been very sad to see what you have been writing in

these pages.  You are a beautiful person.  Why not Shine?



Keith


On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Dear Keith,
>
> Thank you for clarifying everything. As always, I appreciate your honesty.
>
> Also, thank you for patiently bearing up with my detailed questions, posed
> solely in order to clarify the matter and the situation and intrigue
> surrounding the President, her election and various matters that arose after
> the election.
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
>
> --- On Mon, 28/12/09, Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions & Question that
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 9:48 AM
>
>
> Preethi
>
> I don?t know why false rumours are started by those who
>
> don?t like the result of the elections, you will have to ask
>
> the people concerned.  I can only relate the truth of what
>
> actually happened.
>
> The previous Vice President, as a member of the General
>
> Council, received notification by email that a new VP had
>
> been nominated on 20 September 2008, and he cast a vote
>
> in the election by email two days later.
>
> There is no contradiction of terms in what I have stated, the
>
> VP election concluded on 20 October 2008 and the result
>
> was first communicated to the members of the General
>
> Council and later to members throughout the world in the
>
> December issue of The Theosophist.
>
> The result of the election was again reported at the GC
>
> meeting along with all the other elections. The President
>
> agreed to the voting slips being scrutinized in order to console
>
> members of the GC who did not trust the result and had asked
>
> to see the ballot papers.  However, it was the votes that had
>
> already been cast by members of the GC that confirmed or
>
> rejected a nominated candidate, the scrutiny of ballot papers
>
> only confirmed that the count was correct and that there had
>
> been no corruption or deception.
>
> You will have to address the first three of your numbered
>
> questions to the members concerned, I cannot answer for
>
> them.  The rights of a member to vote in a Presidential
>
> election is not an issue at this time, the Draft Proposals to
>
> change the rules were not discussed at the GC meeting.
>
> Consequently, no rule is in the process of being changed,
>
> and the rights of members to vote has been preserved.
>
> Keith
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM, preethi muthiah
> <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com <seeker_preethi%40yahoo.com>>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear Keith,
> >
> > Trust you are doing well. My replies are in line with yours so do read
> > on...
> >
> > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com<exsecy%40gmail.com><exsecy%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Keith Fisher <exsecy@gmail.com <exsecy%40gmail.com> <exsecy%
> 40gmail.com>>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues
> -
> > Contradictions & Question that
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 11:09 PM
> >
> >
> > Preethi
> >
> > The Vice President, Linda Oliveira, was elected and
> >
> > confirmed by a majority vote of the General Council
> >
> > on 20 October 2008.
> >
> > The announcement of the result of the election was
> >
> > delayed a few days waiting for the President to return
> >
> > to Adyar and was first communicated to all GC members,
> >
> > including the previous Vice President, on 29 October 2008.
> >
> > Preethi's Question: Then why is everyone under the impression that the
> > previous Vice President was not informed of this move?
> >
> >
> > The President followed standard procedure in declaring
> >
> > the result of the Vice President election to the membership
> >
> > in the December issue of The Theosophist.
> >
> > Every important event in the year is reported to the General
> >
> > Council at its annual meeting on 25 December.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment: How contradictory can you be? Please read on further
> to
> > know more... :-)
> >
> >
> > Under Agenda item 3, Confirmation of voting, the result of
> >
> > the VP election was reported. The voting slips were made
> >
> > available for GC members to scrutinize and the votes cast
> >
> > were confirmed as being correct.
> >
> > Preethi's Question and Comments: This is really the bone of contention,
> > isn't it Keith? We have a case of contradiction of terms here really, but
> > these contradictions need to be clarified and dealt with for the true
> > picture to emerge.
> >
> > On the one hand, you say that the President was following procedure when
> > she made the announcement in the December 2008 issue of the Theosophist.
> On
> > the other, you say that Agenda Number 3 of the GC meeting was:
> "Confirmation
> > of voting, the result of
> >
> >
> > the VP election was reported. The voting slips were made
> >
> > available for GC members to scrutinize and the votes cast
> >
> > were confirmed as being correct."
> >
> > In the ordinary and simple language that a common member of the TS like
> > myself speaks, that is a CONTRADICTION. Simply stated, my dear Keith, if
> a
> > final and conclusive statement is made about something, then it really
> means
> > that it needs NO further scrutinization and confirmation. The fact that
> the
> > final decision of electing Linda Oliveira as VP of the TS was still
> subject
> > to a SCRUTINY and CONFIRMATION by the members of the General Council
> shows
> > that Mrs Burnier's decision could NOT have been final; and thus, her
> > announcing this result A MONTH BEFORE in the December 2008 issue of the
> > Theosophist amounts to an abuse of power and authority.
> >
> > One of my early teachers, Richard Bach in his book "Illusions" says that
> > "contradictions do not exist. If they exist, check your premises." So
> what
> > are the premises for Mrs Burnier's hasty reactions, Keith?
> >
> > Could you please clarify these CONTRADICTIONS in your statements and
> > premises?
> >
> >
> > There is nothing sinister or illegal with any of these
> >
> > procedures, except in the minds of those who can not
> >
> > accept the result of the election.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment: That is quite true, Keith. There is nothing sinister
> or
> > illegal with any of these procedures. The sinisterness or illegality lies
> > totally with the Officers who twist these procedures to suit their
> > convenience; with the Officers who look for the loopholes in the
> procedures
> > to maneuver them to their convenience. The procedures are just
> procedures.
> > Depends on who is using them, isn't it?
> >
> > And, my dear Keith, for your information I voted for and supported the
> > President during the recent elections. So I do not at all understand your
> > statement, "except in the minds of those who can not accept the result of
> > the election." Please forgive me that I choose not to explain my
> statement
> > to you. Suffice it to say that what is apparent is sometimes not at all
> > true; and what is not apparent is sometimes more true than all the
> apparent
> > issues.
> >
> >
> > The rule changes that would remove the right of members
> >
> > to vote in a Presidential election were contained in a
> >
> > document entitled ?Draft Proposed Amendments to the
> >
> > Society?s Rules and Regulations?.
> >
> > This document was not discussed and rejected as being
> >
> > non-viable as you have stated, it did not appear on the
> >
> > Agenda, and no part of the document was discussed.
> >
> > No reference to this document appears in the minutes of
> >
> > the GC meeting to which you refer.
> >
> > Preethi's Comment and Questions: Thank you for clarifying this point
> Keith.
> > However, it does raise some issues for consideration and concern, which I
> > will try my best to state below:
> >
> > 1. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda, then
> why
> > is such a hue and cry being made of it even today by Mr MKR, for example?
> >
> > 2. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda and
> thus
> > NOT a matter of concern to either the President, the VP, or any of the
> > participating members of the GC, then why did Pedro Oliveira, Erica
> > Georgiadis and so many others make such a fuss about it before the
> General
> > Council meeting of 2008? They were in fact so concerned about it as for
> EG
> > to actually bring out a magazine in which the shock was expressed that
> such
> > a thing could even be proposed!
> >
> > 3. If this issue of disenfranchisement was not part of the Agenda then
> why
> > is it that those who are supporters of Mrs Burnier and seek to quell any
> > voice raised against the President use this "disenfranchisement coin" to
> > "bring down the enemy"? By the way, Keith, the enemy exists in their own
> > heads. I definitely have no inimical feelings towards the President and
> her
> > aides. All I am seeking is to clarify the intriguing situation that
> > surrounds the President at the moment, which intriguing situation is one
> of
> > the major causes for the apparent dissent.
> >
> > 4. Now, you have stated above that any important issue occurring during
> the
> > year are brought to the attention of the General Council during the
> meeting
> > of 25 December in any year, including 2008. Would you as an ex-member of
> > that Council say that the issue of members' rights to vote is a cause for
> > concern and an important issue?
> >
> > Fraternally
> >
> > Preethi
> >
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 10:17 AM, preethi muthiah
> > <seeker_preethi@yahoo.com <seeker_preethi%40yahoo.com> <seeker_preethi%
> 40yahoo.com>>wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > By that count, MKR, the President and Vice President of the TS ought to
> > > abide by the Pledge of having the benefit of the TS in their hearts and
> > > minds above all and everything personal. Would you be kind enough to
> ask
> > > them why they have put their personal selves and egoes before and above
> > > everything else in the TS? Why today the purity and cleanliness of our
> > > Movement has taken second place to their need to hold on to power and
> > > position in the TS?
> > >
> > > As regards the disenfranchisent issue you are repeatedly talking about
> > MKR,
> > > that was just -- I repeat JUST a proposal...no more, no less. A
> proposal
> > > that was brought up in the GC Meeting, discussed and REJECTED as being
> > > NON-VIABLE.
> > >
> > > But the FACT that you keep bringing up the issue whenever something
> that
> > is
> > > NOT pleasant to the current administrative head and her aides comes up
> > shows
> > > that the current administrative head and her aides are INCAPABLE of
> > standing
> > > in the light of the Truth that today -- as since 24 May 2009 -- asks
> them
> > to
> > > ACCOUNT for their deeds and misdeeds, their demeanours and
> misdemeanours
> > in
> > > running the Theosophical Society. The main point is:
> > >
> > > WHAT IS SO MUCH CORRUPTION AND FEAR DOING IN THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY?
> > >
> > > I take you to your own words below: "Because, once you write something
> > with
> > > your own name, you have to stand by what one writes."
> > >
> > > By this declaration -- which I agree with you is right and just and
> fair
> > --
> > > you ought to be asking the President and the Vice President "How it is
> > that
> > > the printed issue -- as every issue of the Theosophist would tell you
> > that
> > > the President is responsible only for Official Notices appearing in the
> > > Theosophist -- of December 2008 The Theosophist carried the official
> > > declaration of Linda Oliveira as "elected" -- please note the word
> > "elected"
> > > -- Vice President of the TS while that election was still due for
> > scrutiny
> > > and confirmation during the GC meeting held on 25 December 2008?"
> > >
> > > Were the President and Vice President truly ABIDING by the rules of the
> > > Constitution of the TS, that announcement ought to have waited till the
> > > January 2009 issue of the Theosophist. Could you please, at your
> > discretion
> > > of course, ask this question of the two principal Officers of the TS?
> > What
> > > was the President's hurry in declaring Linda Oliveira as VP? Why could
> > she
> > > not have waited the two months from October 2008 to January 2009 for
> > making
> > > an official declaration, as would have been constitutionally and
> legally
> > > correct?
> > >
> > > And the subtler question: when the Two principal Officers of the TS are
> > so
> > > corruption and power oriented, how can they (as we all as well) hope
> that
> > > the TS will not be CONTAMINATED by that corruption?
> > >
> > > This last point, I am sure you will agree, is cause for much more
> concern
> > > than the proposed disenfranchisement of voting rights which proposal
> was
> > > anyway openly discussed and rejected as being non-viable. The reason
> why
> > the
> > > corruption practised and endorsed by the current administrative head of
> > the
> > > TS and her aides is SUCH A CAUSE FOR CONCERN is because, my dear MKR,
> > when
> > > we as members of the TS sign our membership form and pay an annual
> > renewal
> > > of membership fee, we -- to suit the convenience of the corrupt Head
> and
> > her
> > > principal aide -- are forced to NOT stand by our annual declaration
> that
> > we
> > > will do our best for the TS and for the future and furtherance of the
> > > Movement and its principal Motto and Objects.
> > >
> > > As can be guessed, then, I would rather stand up and fight against the
> > > President who tries to tell me NOT to abide by the declarations by
> which
> > I
> > > put my signature annually as member of the Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > Preethi
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com><mkr777%
> 40gmail.com><mkr777%
> > 40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mkr777%40gmail.com>
> <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related
> issues
> > -
> > > Contradictions & Question that
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
>
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 7:08 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will leave it to the reader to make up their minds about the
> pseudonym
> > >
> > > issue. Many times, it is used by people to keep their personal
> reputation
> > >
> > > mask clear. Because, once you write something with your own name, you
> > have
> > >
> > > to standby what one writes.
> > >
> > > The disenfranchisement issue is very very serious. If the coup had
> > >
> > > succeeded, we will not be talking here, because there is nothing to
> talk
> > >
> > > about and all information would have been shut like a clam shell. What
> is
> > >
> > > more important is that members were able to make up their minds about
> the
> > >
> > > Quartet who tried the ultra secret attempt. This issue is not going to
> go
> > >
> > > away, because it is an extremely serious issue with the future of TS
> and
> > > its
> > >
> > > members.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, preethi muthiah
> > >
> > > <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MKR,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Might I be permitted to say here that the Message is more important
> > than
> > >
> > > > the Messenger. The issue is not so much "who sent the message" than
> > what
> > > the
> > >
> > > > Contents of the message tell us about the current administration, or
> > > shall I
> > >
> > > > say, Misadministration?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Why does it not occur to you -- a seeker after the Truth -- that
> people
> > >
> > > > must need to use pseudonyms for FEAR of facing the repercussions of
> > their
> > >
> > > > declarations? And what, O Truth Seeker, is FEAR doing in an
> > organization
> > >
> > > > that declares TRUTH as its Motto? Doesn't the contradiction and
> > dichotomy
> > > of
> > >
> > > > it hit you, MKR?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Why is there SO MUCH FEAR in the Theosophical Society? Why is there
> the
> > >
> > > > FEAR of the President? Where did that FEAR take root?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > From: MKR <mkr777@gmail. com <mkr777%40gmail. com>>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related
> > issues
> > > -
> > >
> > > > Contradictions & Question that
> > >
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com <theos-talk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:41 AM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks for posting.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It would be interesting to know who is the writer of the message.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Theosophical society members around the world are a small community
> and
> > > as
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > such most know each other, especially if they are active.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Also many times, when you look at the depth of knowledge shown by the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > writers using pseudonyms, it is usually someone very close to the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > administration and/or the leaders, past and present.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Persons who stand up with their own names behind messages are highly
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > regarded because they stake their reputation in what they say and
> > > displays
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > the integrity of the person.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On the other hand, you cannot ignore the identity from the message.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Of late many theosophists are fine tuning the techniques of hiding
> > behind
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > pseudonyms and claim that message is important.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It would be interesting to see any responses.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > MKR
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker_preethi <seeker_preethi@
> > > yahoo.com
> > >
> > > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> > >
> > > > TheosTalk
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Fraternally
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhood oftheoso
> > > phy@gmail.com <phy%40gmail.com> <phy%40gmail.com> <phy%40gmail.com><brotherhoodoftheos
>
>
> > ophy%40gmail. com>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > ]
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> > > Contradictions
> > >
> > > > &
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Question that deserve answers
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> > >
> > > > Question
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > that deserve answers
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 1. Preethi in http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> > > 53509
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE
> the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that
> > meeting
> > > a
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while
> > actually
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > international President had already made that announcement in the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was
> > > printed
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> > >
> > > > MEETING.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 2. Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos-
> > > talk/message/
> > >
> > > > 53513
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear Preethi
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> > >
> > > > December
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in
> > October
> > >
> > > > 2008.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20
> > > September
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result
> was
> > >
> > > > first
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I
> presented
> > to
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how
> > GC
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of
> the
> > >
> > > > votes
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to
> > be
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > correct.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Keith
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December
> > > 2008
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > states:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the
> > > General
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> > >
> > > > Vice-President
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > of the Society."
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 4. Rule 11
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall
> nominate
> > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be
> > confirmed
> > > by
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > the General Council!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 6. Question that deserves answer
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General
> > Council
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> > >
> > > > Oliveira
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and
> > honest
> > >
> > > > to
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to
> make
> > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> > >
> > > > printed
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been
> > treated
> > >
> > > > with
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of
> > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and
> > > utter
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and
> > > General
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional
> > general
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Dear Adyarwoman,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding
> > Mrs.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Oliveira's status?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from
> > > October
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice
> > President"
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December
> > > 2008
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008,
> > carries
> > >
> > > > the
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > following 2 information:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with
> effect
> > > from
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > 20 October 2008."
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos-
> talk/message/
> > >
> > > > 53513
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days
> > > later!)
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list
> of
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda
> > Oliveira".
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President
> > from
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > attending the General Council meeting.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and
> hence
> > an
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > For full information, visit
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > http://theosophical .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in-
> crisis-new?
> > >
> > > > id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
> > >
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