Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00164)

I will leave it to the reader to make up their minds about the pseudonym
issue. Many times, it is used by people to keep their personal reputation
mask clear. Because, once you write something with your own name, you have
to standby what one writes.

The disenfranchisement issue is very very serious. If the coup had
succeeded, we will not be talking here, because there is nothing to talk
about and all information would have been shut like a clam shell. What is
more important is that members were able to make up their minds about the
Quartet who tried the ultra secret attempt. This issue is not going to go
away, because it is an extremely serious issue with the future of TS and its
members.


MKR

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:28 PM, preethi muthiah
<seeker_preethi@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> MKR,
>
> Might I be permitted to say here that the Message is more important than
> the Messenger. The issue is not so much "who sent the message" than what the
> Contents of the message tell us about the current administration, or shall I
> say, Misadministration?
>
> Why does it not occur to you -- a seeker after the Truth -- that people
> must need to use pseudonyms for FEAR of facing the repercussions of their
> declarations? And what, O Truth Seeker, is FEAR doing in an organization
> that declares TRUTH as its Motto? Doesn't the contradiction and dichotomy of
> it hit you, MKR?
>
> Why is there SO MUCH FEAR in the Theosophical Society? Why is there the
> FEAR of the President? Where did that FEAR take root?
>
> Fraternally
>
> Preethi
>
> --- On Fri, 25/12/09, MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Election of the Vice-President & related issues -
> Contradictions & Question that
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 6:41 AM
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for posting.
>
> It would be interesting to know who is the writer of the message.
>
> Theosophical society members around the world are a small community and as
>
> such most know each other, especially if they are active.
>
> Also many times, when you look at the depth of knowledge shown by the
>
> writers using pseudonyms, it is usually someone very close to the
>
> administration and/or the leaders, past and present.
>
> Persons who stand up with their own names behind messages are highly
>
> regarded because they stake their reputation in what they say and displays
>
> the integrity of the person.
>
> On the other hand, you cannot ignore the identity from the message.
>
> Of late many theosophists are fine tuning the techniques of hiding behind
>
> pseudonyms and claim that message is important.
>
> It would be interesting to see any responses.
>
> MKR
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:32 PM, seeker_preethi <seeker_preethi@ yahoo.com
> >wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > I received the below via email and thought I would pass it on to
> TheosTalk
>
> > as well. Lots of things to ponder about, don't you think?
>
> >
>
> > Fraternally
>
> > Preethi
>
> >
>
> > From: Brotherhood Of Theosophy [mailto:brotherhoodoftheoso phy@gmail.com<brotherhoodoftheos ophy%40gmail. com>
>
>
> > ]
>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:56 AM
>
> > To: brotherhoodoftheoso phy
>
> > Subject: Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions
> &
>
> > Question that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > Election of the Vice-President & related issues - Contradictions &
> Question
>
> > that deserve answers
>
> >
>
> > 1. Preethi in http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/ 53509
>
> >
>
> > How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the
>
> > General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that meeting a
>
> > vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while actually
> the
>
> > international President had already made that announcement in the
>
> > Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was printed
> in
>
> > the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL
> MEETING.
>
> >
>
> > 2. Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> >
>
> > Dear Preethi
>
> >
>
> > The result of the Vice President election could be printed in the
> December
>
> > issue of the Theosophist because the election was completed in October
> 2008.
>
> >
>
> > The President nominated Linda Oliveira for Vice President on 20 September
>
> > 2008, the closing date for voting was 20 October, and the result was
> first
>
> > declared on 29 October 2008. As International Secretary, I presented to
> the
>
> > General Council meeting on 25 December 2008, a document showing how GC
>
> > members had voted and the actual voting slips for confirmation of the
> votes
>
> > cast. These were scrutinized by the GC members present and found to be
>
> > correct.
>
> > Keith
>
> >
>
> > 3. The actual minutes of the General Council Meeting of 25 December 2008
>
> > states:
>
> >
>
> > "The voting slips were scrutinized by some of the members of the General
>
> > Council and Mrs. Linda Oliveira was declared elected as the
> Vice-President
>
> > of the Society."
>
> >
>
> > 4. Rule 11
>
> >
>
> > `Within three months of assuming office the President shall nominate the
>
> > Vice President subject to confirmation by the General Council.
>
> >
>
> > 5. By every one's own admission, election was required to be confirmed by
>
> > the General Council!
>
> >
>
> > 6. Question that deserves answer
>
> >
>
> > If a confirmation was required in the 25 December 2008 General Council
>
> > meeting, and because minutes of this meeting also states that Linda
> Oliveira
>
> > was declared elected only on 25 December 2008 how is it fair and honest
> to
>
> > declare on 29 October 2008 that she is the Vice-President and to make the
>
> > announcement in the December month's Theosophist which was actually
> printed
>
> > in November 2008? By such action, the General Council has been treated
> with
>
> > contempt and it is an insult to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > 7. The violations of rules in election (?) of additional members of the
>
> > General Council are also shameful and reflect the manipulations and utter
>
> > cynical contempt for rules, procedures, for ordinary members and General
>
> > Council members of The Theosophical Society.
>
> >
>
> > All functions of Linda as vice-president and of the additional general
>
> > council members elected (?) in 2008 cannot be treated legal.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 18 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > Dear Adyarwoman,
>
> >
>
> > This issue only looks like a non-sinister technicality.
>
> >
>
> > What was the exact text of the December 2008 Theosophist regarding Mrs.
>
> > Oliveira's status?
>
> >
>
> > Probably she should have been called "Vice President Elect" from October
>
> > 29, 2008 till December 25, 2008, when she was declared "Vice President"
>
> > based on the acceptance of the election results by the GC.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by adyarwoman 9 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > It is not 'non-sinister technically. ' It is sinister. The December 2008
>
> > issue of The Theosophist printed in last week of November 2008, carries
> the
>
> > following 2 information:
>
> > Page 85: "Mrs. Linda Oliveira was elected Vice-President with effect from
>
> > 20 October 2008."
>
> >
>
> > Keith Fisher at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/theos- talk/message/
> 53513
>
> > says "the result was first declared on 29 October 2008" , (9 days later!)
>
> >
>
> > The same issue of The Theosophist says on the 2nd Page in the list of
>
> > Presidents, Vice-Presidents etc, "Vice-President: Mrs. Linda Oliveira".
>
> >
>
> > This was a sinister attempt to prevent the existing Vice-President from
>
> > attending the General Council meeting.
>
> >
>
> > This also makes a mockery of the procedure of confirmation and hence an
>
> > insult and contempt to the General Council members.
>
> >
>
> > Reply by Govert Schuller 7 hours ago
>
> >
>
> > I see. That's why I asked for the text. Thank you.
>
> >
>
> > For full information, visit
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://theosophical .ning.com/ forum/topics/ the-ts-in- crisis-new?
> id=2060685% 3ATopic%3A40419& page=-1#comments
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage.
> http://in.yahoo.com/
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