Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements
Dec 22, 2009 09:43 PM
by Drpsionic
Nothing that comes out of the Vatican would surprise me.
We joke about Dugpas, but those sewer rats in funny dresses are evil
incarnate.
Chuck the Heretic
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In a message dated 12/22/2009 7:58:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Augoeides-222@comcast.net writes:
Chuck,
Thanks for the recap on Mussilini ,Italy, the rescue of the Jews and a
slight referance to the Pope power. Well, I see the current Pope wants to
elevate the Pope Eugenio Pacelli, the war time Pope toward sainthood. Could it
be because he personaly delivered suitcases of money from the vatican to
Hitler before he was made Chancelor? That documentary sound like it would be
interesting to view, I wil lgoogle for it, thx.
John
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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:35:48 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
involvements
Well, not exactly. After all, he was thrown out of office and shot.
One thing we must remember to the better angels of even a Mussolini. He
ordered the Italian army to round up all the Jews they could find and hide
them from the Nazis. Much of what the Catholic Church likes to claim they
did on behalf of the Jews in Italy was actually forced on them at gunpoint
by
the Italian army, including one incident when an Italian officer literally
put his pistol into the face of a Mother Superior and told her that a
group of Jews was going to be hidden in her convent and she could let them
in
or they could walk in over her corpse. There was a documentary done about
that in the 1990s called "The Righteous Enemy."
Chuck the Heretic
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Chuck,
Musselini got all his power because he always thoroughly oiled hi bald
dome which made it sprakle intensely in the sun light! He was well trained
in
the use of his sparkling blinding bald dome. He developed the technique of
moving his head in synch to the sparkles causing the people to be
auto-hypnotized immediately and put permanently under his auto-suggestive
Socialist
Nationalist rants! From then on they were his thralls having no hope of
redemption, like the shattered pot-shards they weredoomed to be the
servants
of his Socialist Nationalist Dugpaship Lol!!!
John ( the error in his name was intentional lol)
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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:23:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
involvements
Actually it is in print somewhere from the 1980s. Of course the writer not
use my exact words and as I'm no longer in easy driving distance of
the Olcott Library I doubt I can find the specific reference, but yes, it
is
a stated policy to stay out of politics, at least as far as the US section
has always been concerned.
You have to remember, that during the Besant period, up into Arundale, the
TS was very much a political organization and, well, it is embarrassing to
say this but it is the truth, openly pro-Fascist. Mussolini was much
praised. In 1925 there was a massive, two part, article published in the
Theosopnotizedhist praising his Italy. Now there is much in Italy to
praise, but
Mussolini was not among it. This was really very surprising to me when I
encountered the article but when I accidentally opened a volume o_f the
_Herald of
the Star from 1922 to an article BY Mussolini, it became less surprising.
The final blow was by Arundale, who in 1936 wrote that the three greatest
leaders in the world were Hitler, Mussolini and Franklin Roosevelt! What
Franklin thought of that was not recorded.
Chuck the Heretic
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Thank you for your answer.
But, that did not really answer all of my questions.
Has there been any official words in print etc. about this from the TS
leaders?
Well I ask, unless you as a Heretic will claim to be an representative.
:-)
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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
involvements
yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during
the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the
plague
now.
Chuck the Heretic
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Dear friends
My views are:
I have learned that is one does not ask any questions...I have learned
that is one does not
So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at
least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an
Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.
1.
I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the Theosophical
Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the
Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political
activities
and political dispuites?
2.
Second.
...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant
was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section,
and
President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?
I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to keep
in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in
the below.
The Preidential Address Delivered By
ANNIE BESANT
At The Thirty Second Indian
National Congress
Held At Calcutta
26th December 1917
"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been
drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been
established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments
to
forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a
politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
the true
object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and
the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations
the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and
the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is
consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces
which
make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even
deadlier
bureaucracy-bureaucracy-<WBR>"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which
Nat
has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which
has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of
Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not
as
a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure.
For
the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy,
autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on
sure
foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every
Nation, and the similar right of the I
Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in
order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be
discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient
than the
Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and
their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and
success-must be
shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible
organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before
the
world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for
ever.
They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their
educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must
vanish
away."
.......
"Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the
ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was
supposed to be
the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was
the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of
the population."
.......
"LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES
The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj
and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian people
to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their past,
creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future.
They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all
things,
and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western
thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything.
Another
great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love
and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from
Materialism in the West. "
.......
"In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries:
"What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own
Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "
.......
"This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually put
in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own
country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the
Freedom
for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the
Age. "
.......
"And from_ that union shall ar_is_e the mightiest Empire, or rather
Commonwealth, th_at the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in
God's good
time, shall put an end to War."
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3.
Third.
Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is
entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a
great
spiritual leader?
Seeking the Truth
M. Sufilight
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