Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00128)

Dear Morten,

The only way to find the documented evidence you so seek is to come and experience Adyar itself - that Adyar which is the "stronghold" of the international President. No one -- not even I who have lived here 16 years -- can ever tell you like it really is...

There was documented evidence of the acts of corruption the President endorses; but perhaps you have been told to ignore those complaints....just as the President herself did...which is what started off the entire movement bringing the President of the TS and her misadministration to light. Just to give an example: How was Linda Oliveira elected as Vice President of the TS BEFORE the General Council meeting of December 2008 could be held? In that meeting a vote was taken to ELECT her as Vice President of the TS, while actually the international President had already made that announcement in the Theosophist of December 2008, which issue of the Theosophist was printed in the Month of November 2008 -- ONE MONTH before the GENERAL COUNCIL MEETING.

There is no law that says that just because the world does it, so it is right. The world of the TS blindly follows the President, Mrs Radha Burnier. I stand alone....almost...but if you go back to the Bhagavadgita, you will find that the Powers of the Universe stand always with the lone individual who will hold the banner of truth and justice aloft, and NOT with the populace that run about in confusion, blindness and ignorance.

Fraternally

Preethi

--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 7:26 PM







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      Dear Preethi



My I ask if you would be kind and provide som documented evidence on your views about The Theosophical Society and its President?



I suggest: Let us seek altruism, and let us seek the truth about the issue.



M. Sufilight



----- Original Message ----- 

  From: preethi muthiah 

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:17 AM

  Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements



Dear all,



The Theosophical Society is the most political organization in the world today. Our current President is a political person. The days when the TS functioned for purposes spiritual are coming to an end as we get more and more political under our current President. So the walls that separated us from the world at large are today breaking up, such that the world within the walls and those without resemble.



In those days, we as members of the TS were exhorted to be IN the world but not OF it...today, we are NOT in the world, but definitely OF it. :-D



Are those the politics that are being discussed in this forum?



Fraternally

  Preethi



--- On Tue, 22/12/09, Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic@aol. com> wrote:



From: Drpsionic@aol. com <Drpsionic@aol. com>

  Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements

  To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com

  Date: Tuesday, 22 December, 2009, 5:53 AM



yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during 



the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the plague 



now.



Chuck the Heretic



www.charlescosimano .com 



In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, 



global-theosophy@ stofanet. dk writes:



Dear friends



My views are:



I have learned that is one does not ask any questions... I have learned 



that is one does not



So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at 



least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an 



Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.



1.



I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the Theosophical 



Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the 



Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political activities 



and political dispuites?



2.



Second.



...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant 



was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section, and 



President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?



I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to keep 



in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in 



the below.



The Preidential Address Delivered By



ANNIE BESANT 



At The Thirty Second Indian



National Congress



Held At Calcutta



26th December 1917



"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been 



drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been 



established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments to 



forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a 



politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For the true 



object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and 



the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations 



the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and 



the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is 



consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces which 



make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even deadlier 



bureaucracy- "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation 



has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which 



has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of 



Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as 



a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For 



the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, 



autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure 



foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every 



Nation, and the similar right of the I



Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in 



order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be 



discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient than the 



Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and 



their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and success-must be 



shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible 



organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before the 



world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for ever. 



They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their 



educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must vanish 



away."



.......



"Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the 



ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was supposed to be 



the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was 



the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of 



the population."



.......



"LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES



The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj 



and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian people 



to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their past, 



creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future. 



They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all things, 



and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western 



thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything. Another 



great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love 



and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from 



Materialism in the West. "



.......



"In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries: 



"What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own 



Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "



.......



"This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually put 



in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own 



country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the Freedom 



for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the 



Age. "



.......



"And from_ that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather 



Commonwealth, that the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in God's good 



time, shall put an end to War."



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3.



Third.



Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is 



entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a great 



spiritual leader?



Seeking the Truth



M. Sufilight



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