Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00125)

Well, not exactly.  After all, he was thrown out of office and  shot.
 
One thing we must remember to the better angels of even a Mussolini.   He 
ordered the Italian army to round up all the Jews they could find and hide  
them from the Nazis.  Much of what the Catholic Church likes to claim they  
did on behalf of the Jews in Italy was actually forced on them at gunpoint by 
 the Italian army, including one incident when an Italian officer literally 
put  his pistol into the face of a Mother Superior and told her that a 
group of Jews  was going to be hidden in her convent and she could let them in 
or they could  walk in over her corpse.  There was a documentary done about 
that in the  1990s called "The Righteous Enemy."
 
Chuck the Heretic
 
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In a message dated 12/22/2009 5:59:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
Augoeides-222@comcast.net writes:

 
 
 
Chuck, 
Musselini got all his power because he always thoroughly oiled  hi bald 
dome which made it sprakle intensely in the sun light! He was well  trained in 
the use of his sparkling blinding bald dome. He developed the  technique of 
moving his head in synch to the sparkles causing the people to be  
auto-hypnotized immediately and put permanently under his auto-suggestive  Socialist 
Nationalist rants! From then on they were his thralls having no hope  of 
redemption, like the shattered pot-shards they weredoomed to be the  servants 
of his Socialist Nationalist Dugpaship Lol!!! 

John ( the  error in his name was intentional lol) 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009  8:23:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World The  Theosophical Society and its Political 
involvements 

Actually it is in  print somewhere from the 1980s. Of course the writer not 
use my exact words  and as I'm no longer in easy driving distance of 
the Olcott Library I  doubt I can find the specific reference, but yes, it 
is 
a stated policy to  stay out of politics, at least as far as the US section 
has always been  concerned. 

You have to remember, that during the Besant period, up  into Arundale, the 
TS was very much a political organization and, well, it  is embarrassing to 
say this but it is the truth, openly pro-Fascist.  Mussolini was much 
praised. In 1925 there was a massive, two part, article  published in the 
Theosopnotizedhist praising his Italy. Now there is much  in Italy to 
praise, but 
Mussolini was not among it. This was really very  surprising to me when I 
encountered the article but when I accidentally  opened a volume of the 
_Herald of 
the Star from 1922 to an article BY  Mussolini, it became less surprising. 

The final blow was by Arundale,  who in 1936 wrote that the three greatest 
leaders in the world were  Hitler, Mussolini and Franklin Roosevelt! What 
Franklin thought of that  was not recorded. 

Chuck the Heretic  

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In a message dated 12/22/2009  3:05:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Thank you for your  answer. 
But, that did not really answer all of my questions. 
Has there  been any official words in print etc. about this from the TS 
leaders?  

Well I ask, unless you as a Heretic will claim to be an  representative. 
:-) 

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Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its  Political 
involvements 

yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously  entangled in politics during 
the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why  it is avoided like the 
plague 
now. 

Chuck the Heretic  

www.charlescosimanowww.ch

In a message dated 12/21/2009  1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Dear friends  

My views are: 

I have learned that is one does not ask any  questions...I have learned 
that is one does not 

So now I will  ask this our forum with all its members, among which at 
least some can be  called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an 
Universal Brotherhood  and Sisterhood. 

1. 
I will ask about where is the stance on  politics today in the Theosophical 
Society, and to what extend are members  and the President of the 
Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself  or herself with political 
activities 
and political dispuites?  

2. 
Second. 

...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with  politics when Annie Besant 
was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader  of The Esoteric Section, 
and 
President of The Indian National Congress  in 1917? 

I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good  idea to keep 
in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor  excerpt of it in 
the below. 

The Preidential Address Delivered By  
ANNIE BESANT 
At The Thirty Second Indian 
National Congress  
Held At Calcutta 
26th December 1917 
"The Great War, into the  whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been 
drawn, has entered on its  fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been 

established makes it  impossible for any outside the circle of Governments 
to 
forecast its  duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a 
politician but as a  student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For 
the true 
object  of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and 
the  enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations 
the  God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and 
the  similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is  
consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces  
which 
make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the  even 
deadlier 
bureaucracy-bureaucracy-<WBR>"The Great  War, into the whirlpool of which 
Nat 
has been drawn, has entered on  its fourth year. The rigid censorship which 
has been established makes it  impossible for any outside the circle of 
Governments to forecast its  duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not 
as 
a politician but as  a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. 
For 
the true  object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, 
autocracy and  the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on 
sure  
foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every  
Nation, and the similar right of the I 
Autocracy and bureaucracy must  perish utterly, in East and West, and, in 
order that their germs may not  re-sprout in the future, they must be 
discredited in the minds of men.  They must be proved to be less efficient 
than the 
Governments of Free  Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and 
their iron  machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and 
success-must be  
shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible  
organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before  
the 
world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be  destroyed for 
ever. 
They have had their day and their place in  evolution, and have done their 
educative work. Now they are out-of-date,  unfit for survival, and must 
vanish 
away." 
....... 
"Since  1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the 
ever-increasing  military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was 
supposed to be  
the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was  
the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of  
the population." 
....... 
"LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF  WHITE RACES 

The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of  the Arya Samaj 
and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead  the Indian people 
to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to  pride in their past, 
creating self-respect in the present, and  self-confidence in the future. 
They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to  imitate the West in all 
things, 
and taught discrimination, the using  only of what was valuable in western 
thought and culture, instead of a  mere slavish copying of everything. 
Another 
great force was that of  Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love 
and admiration for India,  and his exposure of the evils resulting from 
Materialism in the West. "  
....... 
"In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it  passionately cries: 
"What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole  world and lose its own 
Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its  Soul?" " 
....... 
"This may seem strong language, because the plain  truth is not usually put 
in India. But this is what every Briton feels in  Britain for his own 
country, and what every Indian should feel in India  for his. This is the 
Freedom 
for which the Allies are fighting; this  is Democracy, the Spirit of the 
Age. " 
....... 
"And from_ that  union shall aris_e the mightiest Empire, or rather 
Commonwealth, th_at the  world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in 
God's good 
time, shall  put an end to War." 

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3. 
Third. 
Is it  fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is  
entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a  
great 
spiritual leader? 

Seeking the Truth 

M. Sufilight  

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