Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00108)

Yes?
May I ask, how your answer aught to be related to the questions I asked at the beginning of this thread?



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MKR 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:11 PM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements


    
  Looking at the past, great changes were brought by individuals.

  I represent only myself.

  MKR

  On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Morten Nymann Olesen <
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:

  >
  >
  > Thank you for your answer.
  > But, that did not really answer all of my questions.
  > Has there been any official words in print etc. about this from the TS
  > leaders?
  >
  > Well I ask, unless you as a Heretic will claim to be an representative.
  > :-)
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Drpsionic@aol.com <Drpsionic%40aol.com>
  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:23 AM
  > Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political
  > involvements
  >
  > yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during
  > the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the plague
  >
  > now.
  >
  > Chuck the Heretic
  >
  > www.charlescosimano.com
  >
  > In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
  > global-theosophy@stofanet.dk <global-theosophy%40stofanet.dk> writes:
  >
  > Dear friends
  >
  > My views are:
  >
  > I have learned that is one does not ask any questions...I have learned
  > that is one does not
  >
  > So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at
  > least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an
  > Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.
  >
  > 1.
  > I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the Theosophical
  > Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the
  > Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political
  > activities
  > and political dispuites?
  >
  > 2.
  > Second.
  >
  > ...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant
  > was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section, and
  >
  > President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?
  >
  > I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to keep
  > in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in
  > the below.
  >
  > The Preidential Address Delivered By
  > ANNIE BESANT
  > At The Thirty Second Indian
  > National Congress
  > Held At Calcutta
  > 26th December 1917
  > "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been
  > drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been
  > established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments
  > to
  > forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a
  > politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
  > the true
  > object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and
  > the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations
  > the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and
  > the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is
  > consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces
  > which
  > make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even
  > deadlier
  > bureaucracy-"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation
  >
  > has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which
  > has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of
  > Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not
  > as
  > a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For
  >
  > the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy,
  > autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on
  > sure
  > foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every
  > Nation, and the similar right of the I
  > Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in
  > order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be
  > discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient
  > than the
  > Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and
  > their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and
  > success-must be
  > shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible
  > organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before
  > the
  > world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for
  > ever.
  > They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their
  > educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must
  > vanish
  > away."
  > .......
  > "Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the
  > ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was
  > supposed to be
  > the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was
  > the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of
  > the population."
  > .......
  > "LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES
  >
  > The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj
  > and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian people
  > to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their past,
  > creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future.
  > They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all things,
  >
  > and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western
  > thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything.
  > Another
  > great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love
  > and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from
  > Materialism in the West. "
  > .......
  > "In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries:
  > "What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own
  > Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "
  > .......
  > "This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually put
  > in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own
  > country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the
  > Freedom
  > for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the
  > Age. "
  > .......
  > "And from_ that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather
  > Commonwealth, that the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in God's
  > good
  > time, shall put an end to War."
  >
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  > _
  >
  > 3.
  > Third.
  > Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is
  > entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a great
  >
  > spiritual leader?
  >
  > Seeking the Truth
  >
  > M. Sufilight
  >
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