Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00102)

Thank you for your answer.
But, that did not really answer all of my questions.
Has there been any official words in print etc. about this from the TS leaders? 

Well I ask, unless you as a Heretic will claim to be an representative. 
:-)



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drpsionic@aol.com 
  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Theos-World The Theosophical Society and its Political involvements


    
  yes, the Theosophical Society was seriously entangled in politics during 
  the Besant/Leadbeater madness and that is why it is avoided like the plague 
  now.

  Chuck the Heretic

  www.charlescosimano.com 

  In a message dated 12/21/2009 1:40:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
  global-theosophy@stofanet.dk writes:

  Dear friends

  My views are:

  I have learned that is one does not ask any questions...I have learned 
  that is one does not

  So now I will ask this our forum with all its members, among which at 
  least some can be called Seekers After Truth and Wisdom, aiming for an 
  Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood.

  1.
  I will ask about where is the stance on politics today in the Theosophical 
  Society, and to what extend are members and the President of the 
  Theosophical Society allowed to involve himself or herself with political activities 
  and political dispuites?

  2.
  Second.

  ...Was The Theosophical Society entangled with politics when Annie Besant 
  was leader of the Theosophical Society, leader of The Esoteric Section, and 
  President of The Indian National Congress in 1917?

  I will say, that the following speech perhaos would be a good idea to keep 
  in mind, before answering this question. I give a minor excerpt of it in 
  the below.

  The Preidential Address Delivered By
  ANNIE BESANT 
  At The Thirty Second Indian
  National Congress
  Held At Calcutta
  26th December 1917
  "The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation has been 
  drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which has been 
  established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of Governments to 
  forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as a 
  politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For the true 
  object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, autocracy and 
  the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure foundations 
  the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every Nation, and 
  the similar right of the Individual, of the smaller Self, so far as is 
  consistent with the welfare of the larger Self of the Nation. The forces which 
  make for the prolongation of autocracy-the rule of one-and the even deadlier 
  bureaucracy-"The Great War, into the whirlpool of which Nation after Nation 
  has been drawn, has entered on its fourth year. The rigid censorship which 
  has been established makes it impossible for any outside the circle of 
  Governments to forecast its duration, but to me, speaking for a moment not as 
  a politician but as a student of spiritual laws, to me its end is sure. For 
  the true object of this War is to prove the evil of, and to destroy, 
  autocracy and the enslavement of one Nation by another, and to place on sure 
  foundations the God-given Right to Self-Rule and Self-Development of every 
  Nation, and the similar right of the I
  Autocracy and bureaucracy must perish utterly, in East and West, and, in 
  order that their germs may not re-sprout in the future, they must be 
  discredited in the minds of men. They must be proved to be less efficient than the 
  Governments of Free Peoples, even in their favourite work of War, and 
  their iron machinery-which at first brings outer prosperity and success-must be 
  shown to be less lasting and effective than the living and flexible 
  organisations of democratic Peoples. They must be proved failures before the 
  world, so that the glamour of superficial successes may be destroyed for ever. 
  They have had their day and their place in evolution, and have done their 
  educative work. Now they are out-of-date, unfit for survival, and must vanish 
  away."
  .......
  "Since 1885, the Congress has constantly protested against the 
  ever-increasing military expenditure, but the voice of the Congress was supposed to be 
  the voice of sedition and of class ambition, instead of being, as it was 
  the voice of educated Indians, the most truly patriotic and loyal class of 
  the population."
  .......
  "LOSS OF BELIEF IN THE SUPERIORITY OF WHITE RACES

  The undermining of this belief dates from the spreading of the Arya Samaj 
  and the Theosophical Society. Both bodies sought to lead the Indian people 
  to a sense of the value of their own civilisation, to pride in their past, 
  creating self-respect in the present, and self-confidence in the future. 
  They destroyed the unhealthy inclination to imitate the West in all things, 
  and taught discrimination, the using only of what was valuable in western 
  thought and culture, instead of a mere slavish copying of everything. Another 
  great force was that of Swami Vivekananda, alike in his passionate love 
  and admiration for India, and his exposure of the evils resulting from 
  Materialism in the West. "
  .......
  "In the adapted words of a Christian Scripture, it passionately cries: 
  "What shall it profit a Nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own 
  Soul? What shall a Nation give in exchange for its Soul?" "
  .......
  "This may seem strong language, because the plain truth is not usually put 
  in India. But this is what every Briton feels in Britain for his own 
  country, and what every Indian should feel in India for his. This is the Freedom 
  for which the Allies are fighting; this is Democracy, the Spirit of the 
  Age. "
  .......
  "And from_ that union shall arise the mightiest Empire, or rather 
  Commonwealth, that the world has ever known, a Commonwealth that, in God's good 
  time, shall put an end to War."

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  3.
  Third.
  Is it fair to say that The Theosophical Society today year 2009 still is 
  entangled with politics because it still highlights Annie Besant as a great 
  spiritual leader?

  Seeking the Truth

  M. Sufilight

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