Theos-Talk Archives (December 2009 Message tt00075)

Mkr, 
Well the Aghora are pretty much obscure to most of us including me. There are thousands of unnoticed peculiar sects in all parts of the planet that have origins based upon some obscure persons views and alterations of earlier precepts, to me it only indicate the primary character of the lower mind or conditioned mind to fixate, diminish, mutate and remove from the higher to the lower nature. One of the most interesting contents of Madame Blavatsky's writings at least to me were her mentions of the many obscure sects and shamans she met personally. If she hadn't we all might not know anything about them lol. At any rate reading her survey of things stimulated me to look further into that area to see what she was discovering where and from who and in what form in the years that she traveled the world. I really do entertain the view that Theosophists in general are not much educated out side of Theosophy in the realm of religions,sects, actual practice, samhita's, Sutra's etc, they pretty much seems to be guided exclusively by what books Blavatsky wrote ( not to imply in any sense they are not very worthy of reading) and certain other primary Theosophical Authors. I do think a comparitive study of philosophy,religion, patanjali, dialectic structure, buddhism. shaivism and others would be an immense complement to Theosophists. That venue is so much more valued than rumors, loose ideas that are ill defined or just plain undocumented beliefs in crude forms. I preferr solid accredited scholarly studies to populist pulp for the masses. Von Daniken was stimulating but he had a lot of error in his views that the general public loved. 

Here are a few books on varios sects. cults and types: 

1.Obscure Religious Cults- by Shashibhusan Dasgupta M.A., PH.D , Ramtana Lahiri Professor and Head ofthe Dept. of Modern Indian languages, University of Calcutta - 1976 

2. Satki Cults of Ancient India - by Dr. Pushpendra Kumar M.A., Ph.D., F.R.A.S. (london), 1974 Bhartiya Pub. House, Varanasi (with special reference to the Puranic Literature) 

3. The Carypadas - by Atindra Mojumder- Lecturer of Bengali, Sanskrit and Prakrit, Dept of Indian Studies, Univ of Melbourne, 1967prepared on the basis of the extant Bengali manuscript and the Tibetan version of the songs, various as[ects of the Buddhist Tantra 

I judge these works superior to television pulp media. 

Regards, 
John 







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MKR" <mkr777@gmail.com> 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 3:36:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: Theos-World Dugpas and Aghoris 






The main line Hindus of all sects would not approve of the methods and life 
style of the Aghoris. In the documentary I saw last night, one of the Hindu 
priests mentioned that Shri Shankaracharya (the first one who is an Avatar 
of one of the Kumaras) seems to have definitely forbade his followers from 
the practices of the predecessors of Agori sect. Most of the educated and 
clear thinking men and women will never willingly adopt the life style of 
the Aghoris. We do not have much information about their yogic practices and 
what kind of results they obtained as a result of them. If anyone has done 
any research into them, it would be interesting. 

Have you noticed that among theosophical circles, there is not much of 
discussion of the sects such as the Aghoris. 

MKR 

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:02 AM, < Augoeides-222@comcast.net > wrote: 

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> Mkr, 
> Thanks, that was an interesting write up about th Aghora sect. One item at 
> one place they say the Aghora origin is at 1000 AD, but later in the article 
> they also say the trace themselves from a Guru figure who is said to have 
> lived to the age of 150 years and died around the mid-1800's. Seems to be a 
> bit confused. The MSNBC link I enjoyed reading. There is mention of certain 
> contents found also in Non-Dual Saivite Teachings which are absent all the 
> deprecatory practices of the Aghora. Awell known scholar on the Shiva 
> Non-dual School is Jaideva Singh whose works I much enjoy, "Vijanabhairava" 
> or Divine Consciousness a very ancient book on yoga Abhinavagupta calls it 
> he Siva-vijnana- upanishad.. Ksemaraja wrote a commentary on it in the tenth 
> century Ad. This work describes 112 types of Yoga practice. None of the 
> Siva' Non-dual works I possess utter a word on the devient dramatized 
> practices of the Aghora 
> as stated on the wiki pages. Populist clamor was also a feature in 
> Blavatsky's time in a similar manner which caused a lot of polarizations, 
> dissent, disaafections, generalized misconceptions that were applied without 
> due discrimination but buttered all with the same deprecatory brush stroke. 
> liuteracy should also be a mark of Theosophy. I did get a chuckle about the 
> sadhu choosing a part of the "elbow" of the river corpse lol. And I am a 
> vegetarian lol. 
> 
> Thanks for your kind reply and the links, 
> 
> John 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MKR" < mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com>> 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:22:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Dugpas and Aghoris 
> 
> Here is the link for wiki on aghoris - < 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori > 
> 
> In the cremation grounds, the Aghoris pick up barbicued human flesh and eat 
> 
> them. This is going on for centuries. 
> 
> Another interesting fact about the going ons at Varanasi is the easy and 
> legal availability of mind altering herbs; both consumed and smoked. There 
> are Government approved shops selling them. Aghoris tend to smoke mariwana 
> and use other herbs which affect the mind. You do not hear much about this 
> aspect of the life in Varanasi. 
> 
> By the way, the Indian Section is headquartered in Varanasi and I have not 
> heard of any theosophist talk about the drug culture of the city. The TV 
> documentary was a mind opener for me. 
> 
> MKR 
> 
> PS: Internet, has allowed information such as the above accessible to 
> anyone 
> interested in the topic. Is not Internet wonderful? 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:23 AM, < Augoeides-222@comcast.net <Augoeides-222%40comcast.net>> wrote: 
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> > 
> > mkr, 
> > Well, one thing occurred to me is a cremation ground holds the ashes of 
> the 
> > cremated and there is no flesh to eat that remains from the cremation it 
> > would seem to me. Can you post the URL for the Aghoris and/or the Wiki 
> link? 
> > I am not much into "the Devil made Me Do IT " thing myself. I do recall 
> > having read a at length narrative some time back of a Major Tantric 
> Goddess 
> > that is usually encountered by an aspirant when they reach a certain 
> > attainment at charnal grounds as a step in certain initiations but cannot 
> 
> > remember enough to source it right now. You know the mahatma's told that 
> the 
> > game set of the White Brotherhood Hierarchy is in eternal force 
> > counter-force for the entirety on the Manvantaric projection and they 
> made 
> > the point that the game set is formulated so that the force-counter force 
> 
> > between the two polarizations is ideally supposed to maintain a close 
> > equality of force so that the universe can continue to have stability in 
> > maintenance on the level of dynamics while on a lesser level of our 
> > participation it seems the similar effect cycles across human 
> experiential 
> > reality. Christians can become obsessed with worry over demons and devils 
> 
> > which also predicated the inquisition among other things, if anything my 
> > view is Theosophist should at least be sophisticated enough to detach 
> > themselves from this juvenile prederilection which is so very Catholic 
> lol. 
> > 
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> USD 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > John 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "MKR" < mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mkr777%40gmail.com>> 
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> > To: "theos-talk" < theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk% 
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> > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:43:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> > Subject: Theos-World Dugpas and Aghoris 
> > 
> > Dugpas and Aghoris 
> > 
> > Tonight I saw a documentary on Aghoris, a secret Hindu Sect which 
> > practice tantric rites as well as eat human flesh from cremation 
> > grounds and use mind altering drugs. It appears they are distributed 
> > in North India and SE Asia and are found around cremation grounds. In 
> > the documentary, they were able find them only late in the nigh and 
> > you do not see them during the day. There is also a writeup in Wiki. 
> > 
> > The founder of the sect is entombed in Varanasi, the holiest Hindu 
> > City in India and most seem to live there. Due to the kind of 
> > practices as well as the extreme secrecy surrounding them, one wonders 
> > if there is an interaction between them and Dupas or even some Dupas 
> > go about as Aghoris. 
> > 
> > MKR 
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